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A redirect to Social Fiction, IMO, is far too specific. The wider category of "political fiction" also merits an entry. Additionally, the focus of the "social fiction" entry on slavic social science fiction is, I believe, too specific. An apple is a form of fruit indeed, but an entry on "fruit" should not discuss apples only, and assert that apples are the essence of fruitness...

Sorry. All what you say is correct. But you say "focus on slavic social science fiction".. i need to excuse myself, as one of who edited that article. Yeah, i love russian scifi.. and try to describe it. Sincerelly, i thought that people who love the western scifi will just describe it, too! However, have a look at the latest revision of it, i hope that your question about "slavic-centric" will disappear. ellol 23:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

list of?[edit]

this would make a really good "list of political fiction," akin to list of protest songs. There are some great pieces of political fiction out there, but they are really hard to find, as they are classed simply a "fiction," "literature," or "science fiction" (and others). I'm gonna add a few. perhaps this would be better as a "list of ..."? on a side note, there seems to be a parallel project going on: Politics in fiction - merge or link? --naught101 10:41, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even if they remain separate pages, I think the "classics" need to be revised. From "Primary Colors" on, they're just too new to know if they're classics or whether they'll be forgotten down the line. --anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.49.49 (talk) 20:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Subgenres[edit]

This page needs to have some subgenre stuff written up. The links at the bottom of the page hint at some of these:

Utopian
Dystopian
Social science fiction
Politics in fiction
Assassinations in fiction

-- TimNelson (talk) 11:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Jacobin novel into this page is inappropriate. Clearly this page should address the Jacobin novel, but entire books have been written on the Jacobin novel, so it deserves an article of its own. Awadewit (talk) 22:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has been suggested that Utopian and dystopian fiction be merged into this article or section.[edit]

Citation needed! I don't see anyone here suggesting this.

IMHO, while the two categories sometimes overlap, they more often do not, in the same way that Dystopian and Science fiction sometimes do and sometimes do not. In my mind, Political fiction would be a narrower concept than merger implies. Leave them separated please! Pamplemousse (talk) 04:53, 18 July 2010 (U

This should not be merged with political fiction, because this is a genre in its own right and is not always or entirely political. For example brave new work was not really written for the sake of a political message, as non of the things that where "political issues" where political issues at the time.

I believe these two should not be merged, . While many of Dystopian literaure does comment on the politics of it's time or warn about the politics that might come, it is far from the only genre doing so. You can see this in "pure" Science Fiction (i.e Foundation by Asimov). There are many sub-categories in many genres, it doesn't mean they should be merged. If that was to happen, we would probably end up with about two genres of books, each incompassing dozens. I believe it should simply be noted in Dystopian Fiction and in Political Fiction that sometimes the two overlap. (A.H) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.75.159 (talk) 00:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge as well! Political fiction may be completely devoid of deep analysis of utopia/dystopia (Yes Minister) and dystopic/utopic fiction may lack in-depth politics as well (The Matrix). 212.68.15.66 (talk) 08:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak sources[edit]

With just one dead link source (a history class at Wesleyan U) saying this is a literary category, the article is pretty weak. Certainly numerous novels deal with political issues but this is not very well-defined. Parkwells (talk) 23:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Augustan age[edit]

The following, from the article Augustan literature of British literature, would be a useful addition here,[1] but unfortunately it lacks citations, so I hesitate to added it. Rwood128 (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Images of writers[edit]

There are images of authors that are not discussed in the article. I propose that they should be deleted, unless some content is added. Rwood128 (talk) 23:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and not all at the top, because it is impossibly long on mobile Dajasj (talk) 20:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Turgenev[edit]

What evidence exists that Turgenev was a political writer? Rwood128 (talk) 23:54, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To quote from the "Fathers and Sons" article,

"Turgenev wrote Fathers and Sons as a response to the growing cultural schism that he saw between liberals of the 1830s/1840s and the growing nihilist movement. Both the nihilists (the "sons") and the 1830s liberals sought Western-based social change in Russia. Additionally, these two modes of thought were contrasted with the Slavophiles, who believed that Russia's path lay in its traditional spirituality.

"Turgenev's novel was responsible for popularizing the use of the term nihilism, which became widely used after the novel was published."

Nihil novi (talk) 00:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And the discussion of Jan Kochanowski needs to be expanded, so as to better justify his inclusion. Also what kind of international reputation does he have?

There must be over 50 authors listed in the "Political fiction" "Notable examples" section, only a fraction of whom are discussed in the main text. And, yes, Kochanowski's Dismissal of the Greek Envoys is notable enough outside Poland to have recently been translated into English, by Bill Johnston.

Instead of taking a deletionist approach, why not let Kochanowski keep the "16th century" door open for other 16th-century authors who likewise, up to now, have not received deserved discussion?

Nihil novi (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nihil novi many thanks for your helpful comments and the edits. Rwood128 (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Spark 1 Social Justice and Child Lit[edit]

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Additional Political Fiction for Reference[edit]

In virtually every University class devoted to the study of the political novel in the United States both Edwin O'Connor's THE LAST HURRAH and Robert Penn Warren's ALL THE KING'S MEN have figured prominently. I was surprised that they were not listed if not discussed. Bubba of the North Country (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC) Bubba of the North Country[reply]