Talk:Plains Cree language

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Representation of Cree / Style[edit]

According to Chris Harvey on languagegeek: cree, the main way Cree speakers write their language is in syllabics. So I'd like to see more use of syllabics on this page.

In one example of syllabics already on this page, the syllabics version is separated from the Roman version by a slash (/). I'd like to suggest using the pipe (|) instead, so as to reserve the slash for setting off IPA phonemes. And then of course quotes (") for the English translation or gloss. Should Cree in Roman script always be in italics, or only in italics when it needs to be highlighted within an English sentence?Óghog (talk) 13:26, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I know at this point the comment above is almost eight years old but since the germ of this discussion thread had is already here I figure I might as well continue it here. Chris Harvey at languagegeek asserted that "Cree is almost always written in Syllabics," and that may be true for all Cree dialects taken as a whole, but in my experience that's a very dubious assertion that doesn't bear out in reality with respect to Plains Cree in particular. Writing in so-called "Roman orthography" isn't uncommon, and working knowledge of syllabics seems to be diminishing rapidly in many Plains Cree communities.

That's not to say syllabics aren't used, aren't otherwise important for other historical and cultural reasons, nor that the Latin script ought to be promulgated over syllabics, but the reality is neither has primacy over the other. As such I'm going to edit the line "The primary [writing system] is Canadian Aboriginal syllabics," to something more neutral.

As for slashes vs. pipes as a separator between syllabics and Roman orthography, neither should be used: just a space. And when using the Latin script Cree words ought to be italicized—because this is the English Wikipedia and we should follow the Manual of Style that says so—and the {{lang}} template will automatically italicize words for us. It looks like this is being followed pretty well as it is now. CplDHicks2 (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Organization of Article[edit]

I have tried to make this article follow the template of language articles more closely by adding sections on Vocabulary and Writing Systems in the appropriate sequence. The next step would be to combine the existing Morphology and Syntax sections into a Grammar section by making them subsections. Any comments?

I don't really see why the Locative Suffix subsection and the Noun Incorporation subsection are in Syntax rather than Morphology. The Direction and Obviation subsection I'm not sure about, but the way it's written, its connections to Syntax are not clear.Óghog (talk) 03:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Phonology[edit]

The stops p, t, k and the affricate c should appear in the same row in the table of consonants. This is because the c patterns exactly like the stops when it comes to allowable obstruent clusters. Clusters beginning with h can occur, as in hp, ht, hc, and hk, and similarly clusters beginning with s, as in sp, etc.Óghog (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Affricates pattern phonologically like stops in a lot of languages, but articulatorily they are different, so it makes sense to keep them in separate rows. Their phonological patterning can be discussed in the text. —Angr (talk) 06:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

It appears that a recent edit vandalized something into "bloop" and "blooper". I don't know what the fix is, but someone familiar with this page should fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dowobeha (talk • contribs) 17:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 3 February 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move this article to Plains Cree language. No consensus to move "Plains Cree people" article, so I will set up a dab page. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 01:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Plains Cree → Plains Cree language – This article currently deals with the language only. Similar articles are titled this way (Assiniboine and Assiniboine language, to name one) and a lot of the incoming links are looking for the people, not the language. Correspondingly, Plains Cree people should be moved to Plains Cree. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 22:56, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ambiguation of Plains Cree people to Plains Cree. That just creates the inverse of the current problem. If it's ambiguous create a TWODABS. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:06, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment That would contradict the current standard, which is to place the people as the main article. Cree people forwards to Cree, Ojibwe people forwards to Ojibwe, etc... while Cree language and Ojibwe language are home to the corresponding languages. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.