Talk:Pistacia terebinthus

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problem with wording in History section[edit]

"It prefers relatively moist areas, up to 600 m in height."

The above does not make sense. Clearly the tree does not grow to a height of 600 meters. Did the editor mean that the tree will grow in altitudes up to 600 meters above sea level, or are there more zeros than needed?

By the way, I am a total newbie to this and have not yet figured out how to post to Wikipedia. LetUsThink (talk) 00:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose to merge Pistacia palaestina into Pistacia terebinthus, because both morphological and molecular evidence indicates they are the same species and P. palaestina should be treated as a synonym.[1][2][3]--Neux-Neux (talk) 14:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The page called so was deleted from English Wikipedia but both pages exists on French Wikipedia and others. The most known reference that show the trees are two and not the same clearly about a oak tree called in Hebrew elah and about an a terebinth tree called in Hebrew eleun in the prophet Isaiah chapter 6 with verse 13: וְעֹוד בָּהּ עֲשִׂרִיָּה וְשָׁבָה וְהָיְתָה לְבָעֵר כָּאֵלָה וְכָאַלֹּון אֲשֶׁר בְּשַׁלֶּכֶת מַצֶּבֶת בָּם זֶרַע קֹדֶשׁ מַצַּבְתָּֽהּ׃ פ uē·auōd bāh asōriāh uē·șābāh uē·hāitāh lî·bāaēr cā·eëlāh uē·cā·elēuɳ eășęr bē·șēlēcēt mē·țēbāt bām—zara qōdēș mē·țēbâtāh (fe) (Isaia 6:13 în Codex Aleppo) And still inside ten and return and being to kindle like elah (terebinth/oak ?) and like elun (oak/terebinth) that in wooden-tree of tree-body intro-seed saint yelds. FlorinCB (talk) 07:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Al-Saghir, Mohannad G. (2010). "Phylogenetic analysis of the genus Pistacia L. (Anacardiaceae) based on morphological data". Asian Journal of Plant Sciences. 9 (1): 28–35. doi:10.3923/ajps.2010.28.35.
  2. ^ Yi, Tingshuang; Wen, Jun; Golan-Goldhirsh, Avi; Parfitt, Dan E. (2008). "Phylogenetics and reticulate evolution in Pistacia (Anacardiaceae)". American Journal of Botany. 95 (2): 241–251. doi:10.3732/ajb.95.2.241.
  3. ^ Hassler, M. (2019-05-01). "Pistacia palaestina Boiss". Synonymic Checklists of the Vascular Plants of the World. Catalogue of Life. Retrieved 2019-06-12.

Requested move 9 August 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Result:
Moved per consensus garnered below. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 01:04, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pistacia terebinthus → Terebinth – Per WP:COMMONNAME. The disambiguation page Terebinth has only two entries: This and Terebinth of Nero. The Terebinth of Nero was a mausoleum associated with a terebinth tree (Pistacia terebinthus), and therefore is not a distinct use, but a specific example of a terebinth. The disambiguation page appears to have existed because formerly terebinths were considered to be of two species, the other Pistacia palaestina; when scientific consensus (and therefore the articles) changed, the unnecessary disambiguation page remained. — the Man in Question (in question) 23:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 2 March 2022[edit]

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Result:
Moved back to previous title per consensus garnered below. Thanks and kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Editing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 11:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Terebinth → Pistacia terebinthus – Terebinth does not only refer to Pistacia terebinthus.

  1. In the sense of ancient usage of the term "terebinth", ancient Greeks refer to both P. terebinthus and P. atlantica as terebinth.[1] The anonymous user below thinks the ancient usage of the term is not important, but nearly half of the content of this page is about terebinth in Ancient texts.
  2. In the sense of the terebinth tree that produces the terebinth resin, P. atlantica is the main source of the terebinth resin in the Mediterranean region, instead of P. terebinthus.[2][3] Again, half of the section "Uses" is about the terebinth resin.
  3. In the sense of modern usage of the term "terebinth", the definition of "terebinth" by the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language is "any of several usually small trees of the genus Pistacia of the Middle East and the Mediterranean region", and P. atlantica is called Atlantic terebinth or simply terebinth in various sources.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15]
  4. The content of this page itself contains descriptions of other species. For example, it mentions the terebinth resin was used at the foot of the Zagros Mountains, but P. terebinthus does not grow in Iran;[16][17][18] thus, it must refer to some other species such as P. atlantica. The imprecision of the title "terebinth" is self-evident.

It is best to move this page to Pistacia terebinthus, and turn terebinth into either a disambiguation page including Pistacia terebinthus and Pistacia atlantica in the list, or a separate page introducing the terebinth trees in ancient Greek and Roman texts and the current uses of the terebinth resin. Neux-Neux (talk) 16:39, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose, from what I can see, in modern parlance P. atlantica is NOT called "terebinthe", and furthermore that P. terebinthus is the only species that currently has that common name, since the Palestine Terebinthe was reclassified as a subspecies. By "true terebinthe" you seem to mean "what the Ancient Greeks called terebinthe"; but, English Wikipedia doesn't name articles based on what they were called in Ancient Greece, and those two sources you've provided are archaeology sources whose primary focus apppears to be on what the Ancient Greeks' source of turpentine was, not which plant is the "true terebinthe." 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:214B:15FF:24A6:C4BD (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Your statement is NOT true. I have added many sources calling P. atlantica terebinth. The article by Mills and White clearly says "P. atlantica Desf. is the true turpentine tree or terebinth", not "was"; it is not only about history, but also about the true source of terebinth resin which is still used by local people.--Neux-Neux (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Scientific name is not ambiguous. YorkshireExpat (talk) 17:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Move back to longstanding title that was changed in a RM with little participation. The scientific name is PRECISE and CONSISTENT with 99% of plant articles. Create a separate article for terebinth focusing on history and uses. Plantdrew (talk) 16:10, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

References

  1. ^ Negbi, Moshe (1995). "Male and Female in Theophrastus's Botanical Works". Journal of the History of Biology. 28 (2): 317–332. ISSN 0022-5010.
  2. ^ Mills, J. S.; White, R. (1989). "The identity of the resins from the late bronze age shipwreck at Ulu Burun (Kaş)". Archaeometry. 31 (1): 37–44. doi:10.1111/j.1475-4754.1989.tb01054.x. ISSN 0003-813X.
  3. ^ Lardos, Andreas; Prieto-Garcia, José; Heinrich, Michael (2011). "Resins and Gums in Historical Iatrosophia Texts from Cyprus – A Botanical and Medico-pharmacological Approach". Frontiers in Pharmacology. 2. doi:10.3389/fphar.2011.00032/full. ISSN 1663-9812.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  4. ^ Duke, James A. (2007-12-26). Duke's Handbook of Medicinal Plants of the Bible. CRC Press. ISBN 978-0-8493-8203-1.
  5. ^ Lardos, Andreas; Prieto-Garcia, José; Heinrich, Michael (2011). "Resins and Gums in Historical Iatrosophia Texts from Cyprus – A Botanical and Medico-pharmacological Approach". Frontiers in Pharmacology. 2: 32. doi:10.3389/fphar.2011.00032. ISSN 1663-9812. PMC 3130153. PMID 21772820.
  6. ^ Esmaeili, Saeideh; Hemami, Mahmoud-Reza; Goheen, Jacob R. (2019-08-02). "Human dimensions of wildlife conservation in Iran: Assessment of human-wildlife conflict in restoring a wide-ranging endangered species". PLOS ONE. 14 (8): e0220702. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0220702. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 6677293. PMID 31374100.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  7. ^ Amiri Chayjan, Reza; Kaveh, Mohammad (2013-03-14). "Physical Parameters and Kinetic Modeling of Fix and Fluid Bed Drying of Terebinth Seeds". Journal of Food Processing and Preservation. 38 (3): 1307–1320. doi:10.1111/jfpp.12092. ISSN 0145-8892.
  8. ^ Ayalon, Etan (2015). "Twin-Screw Olive-Oil Presses from Israel". Israel Exploration Journal. 65 (1): 100–110. ISSN 0021-2059.
  9. ^ Martin, Louise Anne (1994). Hunting and herding in a semi-arid region: an archaeozoological and ethological analysis of the faunal remains from the Epipalaeolithic and Neolithic of the eastern Jordanian steppe (PDF). Vol. 1. PhD Thesis. University of Sheffield. p. 13.
  10. ^ Van Zeist, Willem; Bottema, Sytze (2009-03-01). "A palynological study of the Acheulian site of Gesher Benot Ya'aqov, Israel". Vegetation History and Archaeobotany. 18 (2): 105–121. doi:10.1007/s00334-008-0167-5. ISSN 1617-6278.
  11. ^ Aviva and Shmuel Bar-Am (2013-02-23). "Israeli history: it's all about roots". The Times of Israel. Retrieved 2022-03-02.
  12. ^ "Plants of the Bible: Mt. Atlas mastic tree". Flowers in Israel. Retrieved 2022-03-02.
  13. ^ "Flora and Fauna in Israel". Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 2001-09-03. Retrieved 2022-03-03.
  14. ^ "Tree of the year 2005: Terebinth tree - Pistacia atlantica" (PDF). Ministry of Agriculture, Natural Resources and Environment, Forestry Department, Cyprus. Retrieved 2022-03-03.
  15. ^ Martin, Chris A. "Pistacia atlantica". Virtual Library of Phoenix Landscape Plants. Arizona State University. Retrieved 2022-03-02.
  16. ^ "Pistacia terebinthus L." Catalogue of Life. Retrieved 2022-03-09.
  17. ^ "Pistacia terebinthus L." Plants of the World Online. Kew Science. Retrieved 2022-03-09.
  18. ^ "Plant list of Iran". Flora of Iran. Central Herbarium of Tehran University. Retrieved 2022-03-09.

Duplication/contradiction[edit]

The characteristics of flowers and fruit appear twice and are inconsistent:

"The flowers are reddish-purple, appearing with the new leaves in early spring. The fruit consists of small, globular drupes 5–7 mm (0.20–0.28 in) long, red to black when ripe. All parts of the plant have a strong resinous smell." versus "The flowers range from purple to green, the fruit is the size of a pea and turns from red to brown, depending on the degree of maturation."

This ought to be tidied up.

I am just a user looking for information. Unfortunately, I am neither a biologist and have no knowledge of mediterrenean botany, so I am of no help here. Hskoppek (talk) 10:49, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Genus[edit]

Hello @Just plain Bill: Why is that necessary? The genus is in the taxobox. Invasive Spices (talk) 21:36, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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