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Does it fill any candidate in the Kinmen and Lienchiang counties? — Insta ntnood 03:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Three cornered contests[edit]

The appears to be a problem with three cornered contest, presumably caused by a first past the post voting system. The PFP and its semi-allies should work towards changing to Instant Runoff Voting.

ROC vs. Taiwan[edit]

With regards to whether the party should be considered to be in the Republic of China or Taiwan: I don't disagree that the Republic of China is the formal name, but Taiwan is customarily used, especially in articles about Taiwanese politics. The fact that the political party in question favors ROC over Taiwan as a step toward reunification is irrelevant to how the country itself should be described. Halfadaniel (talk) 03:18, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's right to write on the political infobox like this.

In the case of a conservative party or a party with a tendency toward Chinese nationalism. → Republic of China
In the case of a progressive party or a party with a tendency toward Taiwanese nationalism. → Taiwan
In the case of a centrist party.(It is not clear whether it is Chinese or Taiwanese nationalism.) → Taiwan

Taiwan's political party documents are not consistent at the moment. The People First Party is labeled "Taiwan," but unlike the People First Party, the Taiwan People's Party, which has no consistent view of Taiwan's identity, is labeled "Republic of China." The Kuomintang is also labeled "Republic of China".--Storm598 (talk) 03:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think I get your point but I still have some concerns about disambiguation, maybe it's Republic of China (Taiwan) to ensure a lack of confusion. I do think conservative parties in Taiwan are inclined toward more pan-Chinese nationalistic language so I understand your point about ROC as a self-determining name on behalf of the political party. Halfadaniel (talk) 04:08, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. Conservative/pro-Chinese parties should be marked as ROCs, while progressive and Taiwanese nationalist parties should be marked as Taiwan.--Storm598 (talk) 11:44, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 December 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus, although the oppose arguments are more persuasive; BD2412 is correct that subtopic titles follow the supertopic and DrIdiot makes a good point about this proposal introducing judgement calls. The pro-move argument have no basis in precedent or policy. Number 5 7 00:06, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

People First Party (Taiwan) → People First Party (Republic of China) – The article title should be updated to reflect the preference of the political party in question to identify their nation as the Republic of China rather than Taiwan—there is well known tension between the two names in Taiwanese politics, and when in doubt, the encyclopedia should defer to the preference of the party being described. Halfadaniel (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Subtopic titles (including disambiguators) should follow the supertopic. Until Taiwan is moved, all subtopics should reflect that title determination. BD2412 T 20:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: While I would normally agree with that assessment, I think in this case the primacy of Taiwan vs. ROC is an ongoing political discussion in Taiwan, and thus naming all Taiwanese politics related articles based on the parent article would invariably skew the naming convention one direction or another. That's my thinking for why the titles need to reflect the stated belief of the party in question. Halfadaniel (talk) 06:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I am on the same page as mentioned in the "ROC vs. Taiwan" section above. --Storm598 (talk) 03:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: but it's also a good idea to change the title of the document to 'Taiwan' instead of changing the title of the party infobox.--Storm598 (talk) 03:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Taiwan is the common name for Republic of China, thus by the article title policy one should use "Taiwan." Further, I'm opposed to introducing yet more judgment calls, e.g. on whether a particular party would prefer RoC vs. Taiwan, even if it might be "clear" to observers. All parties use one or the other at some point in various contexts. DrIdiot (talk) 05:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Some precedent here and here for using "Taiwan" over "ROC" per WP:COMMONNAME. DrIdiot (talk) 07:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The topic is about the specific governmental political party, not about geographic or all that. According to the article, the party has leaned toward Chinese unification instead of Taiwan independence. The "Republic of China" must reflect what the article describes. George Ho (talk) 20:51, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.