Talk:Peckforton Castle

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October 18, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 5, 2008.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that although Peckforton Castle in Cheshire (pictured) was built as a family home in 1850, it mimicked a Norman castle in design and position?

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Untitled[edit]

Done. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 12:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited material[edit]

The following uncited section was moved from the article: "The last resident was Bentley Lyonel John Tollemache, 3rd Baron Tollemache, who left the house to live in Eastbourne ...The Tollemache family used the castle for occasional gatherings, but otherwise it was unused until 1969. From 1969 to 1980 a new saga emerged for the castle; leased by Lord John Tollemache to Mr. George W. Barrett, it again became a private residence and closed to the public. The right wing and tower and the castle gardens were restored to their former glory by Mr. Barrett, an American and high ranking civil servant employed by the U.S. Government. His family include his spouse, Monique, and children: Pascale, George. W. (III), Shawn, Marc and Sheila. Ms. Pascale Barrett's wedding with over 500 guests was the first to be held in the chapel and a special decree had to be obtained by the Archbishop of Canterbury to legally hold catholic weddings in the grounds of the castle. This initiative by Mr. Barrett gave an impulse for the castle to be used in the future as a luxurious wedding location." Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Peckforton Castle/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Starting review. Pyrotec (talk) 12:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments[edit]

After an initial read through, this article appears to be at or about GA-level; I'll therefore carry out a more detailed review, section by section, but leaving the WP:Lead until last. Pyrotec (talk) 12:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Early history -

A point point: In the first paragraph the first "he" is, clearly, George Latham; the second "he" is presummably John Tollemache?

Clarified. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Overall summary[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

A short, well-referenced, article on a Cheshire building.

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B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

C. No original research:
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Congratulations on the quality of the article, I'm awarding GA-status. Pyrotec (talk) 13:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Any help on this anomaly ?[edit]

Under "Later history and present use" there is an assertion that Bentley Tollemache's wife Lynnette arranged care for soldiers. She might have been an unmarried 'companion' I suppose, but she didn't marry Bentley until 1928. Bentley's wife at the time was Wynford Rose Kemball (d.1926), the daughter of Arnold Burrowes Kemball. [1], Mosley, Charles, editor. Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes. Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003. p3911. Acabashi (talk) 13:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to find the dead link on the Wayback Machine; the link is there but it does not display properly (on my computer anyway). So I think the best way to deal with the dubious section is to move it to this page until a reliable source can be found:

"Wilbraham Tollemache died in 1904 and the estate passed to his son Bentley. During the First World War Bentley's wife, Lynette,^{[dubious – discuss]} arranged for soldiers wounded in the war to be cared for in the castle."

--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:17, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - I tried Wayback too with no luck. I've added a new article for Bentley Lyonel John Tollemache, 3rd Baron Tollemache that indicates that Lynette probably wasn't around here during WW1. Acabashi (talk) 16:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Missing history[edit]

Theres a whole chunk of history you missed out. In the early 1980's the castle was all but derelict, and was descended on frequently at weekends by large groups of people, playing live Dungeons and Dragons. You had to turn up in costume, and you bagged a room and camped down in it, The entire weekend was spent getting drunk, stoned, smashed, high, and fighting mock battles with dye soaked rubber swords, and raiding each other camps. There was a guy called Og, who would sell you a 9 inch diameter chocolate cake, with 1/4 oz Red Lebanese resin baked into it. it was fantastic stuff. You cut the cake into 40 slices, and one slice kept you stoned all weekend. There would be people with instruments, and folk bands of various sorts, and there would be music all the time somewhere. This went on summer weekends for years, no one ever noticed or complained.

This is verbal folk lore, you cant read stuff like this in hstory books.

82.7.152.107 (talk) 13:49, 19 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Belated reply - Unfortunately, if "you cant read stuff like this in hstory (sic) books", you can't include it on Wikipedia, as material here needs to be verifiable and from reliable sources. Which is a pity in this case, as the events you describe sound rather fun! Although I'm surprised you recall them as clearly as you do! KJP1 (talk) 09:51, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Marriages[edit]

I have deleted the details of a marriage performed in the castle. It is a building in which many marriages take place, some of them of notable people. But to add all these to the article would IMO overload it and would be unencyclopaedic. My namesake (but no relative) Jamie Vardy was married there recently. The info has been added to his own article, but I do not think it should be included in this article. Or do people think that all "notable" marriages in the "castle" should be included here? It could turn out to be a long list! --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 18:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would leave it for the applicable person's biography to include info about the castle as their wedding venue. I recently learned that Craig Phillips (a fellow resident of Shropshire when he was on the first Big Brother programme) was married there but I'm not tempted to mention it here but leave it in his article.Cloptonson (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]