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Incorrect History[edit]

The article ignores a historic and ground reality that Kashmir is a disputed territory and not part of India. The people of Kashmir are yet to be given their right to self-determination and future of their state as per UN resolutions.

No, it doesn't. Obviously biased people, such as yourself, frequently use this article as a battleground. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan did not exist until 1947. The status of Kashmir during the past years are irrelevant to the statements in this article that dictate when and where Pashminas were originally created. During the time they were created this was not an issue. "The woolen shawls made in Kashmir are mentioned in Afghan texts between the 3rd century BC and the 11th century AD.[7] However, the founder of the Pashmina industry is traditionally held to be the 15th century ruler of Kashmir, Zayn-ul-Abidin, who introduced weavers from Central Asia; other sources consider pashmina crafts were introduced by Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani.[8] In 14th - century Mir Ali Hamadani came to Kashmir along with 700 craftsmen from parts of Persia.[9] when Mir Ali Hamadani came to Ladakh,(Kashmir) home land of pashmina goats, for the first time in history he found that the Ladakhi goats produced soft wool. " Centerone (talk) 20:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Unfortunately the description of pashmina given on this site very in correct. I will try and re type it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.28.46.7 (talk • contribs) 04:47, July 28, 2007

Contradiction[edit]

CONTRADICTORY ARTICLE Someone who knows about Pashmina MUST correct this page. First it says it is the same as Cashmere which is wool. Then it refers to the fabric as a blend of wool with silk. Finally it complains wicked people are adding all sorts of things to it - like wool!!! I suppose that is the trouble with Wikipedia accepting editorial corrections from anybody - they frequently contradict each other! As it is, this article is NO USE to anyone (such as myself) who just wanted to know quickly what Pashmina was. Back to the text encyclopaedias....(editing a Wikipedia page is easy but I do not know enough about the subject to do this page) 58.41.185.220 (talk) 12:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of contradiction : "The wool comes from changthangi or Pashmina goat, which is a special breed of goat indigenous to high altitudes of the Himalayas in India, Nepal and Pakistan" vs. "Pashmina and Cashmere are derived from mountain sheep." Last I knew, goats were not sheep... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.230.137.69 (talk) 02:20, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So, if you see something that needs fixing, fix it! Centerone (talk) 04:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have several pashmina chaddars and it is ridiculous to say that it is a type of silk. Silk is not made from wool. Silk comes from silk worms.106.51.109.180 (talk) 09:30, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bravo[edit]

As an avid pashmina lover, I was disappointed in previous versions of Wikipedia. Bravo to whomever edited this. Prior versions had been used for marketing and contained deceptive information about the quality of Nepal pashmina versus Kashmiri/Indian pashmina goods. I own about a hundred pashmina shawls from all around the world and I enjoy those from Nepal and Kashmir equally. The only difference I can tell is that those from Kashmir cost more - most likely due to the unfortunate political situation there at present. I was duped into a viscose "pashmina" before and quickly could tell my mistake. It is just not as warm and comforting as the real thing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.172.250 (talk • contribs)

Origin of the word Pashima[edit]

- While in this article it is written that "Pashmina is an indigenous Nepali word" I have read in Weekipedia "List of English words of Persian origin" that the word Pashmina comes from the Persian word "Pashmineh", made from pashm; pashm (= "wool"). I was told during my recent stay in Srinagar, capital of the Indian state of Kashmir, that Pashmina is a Persian word to name "the best of the wools". The weave so called, it is made out of the finest wool of the Kashmir goat, the one that grows in its chin. Maria Regueiro (Spain)

Some research in old dictionaries and cyclopedias suggests that pushmina or pashmina are the Hindi words for articles of clothing made from the wool of Kashmir goats. That is, exactly the same thing as cashmere: There also seems to be a usage difference between wool collected from the domesticated goats (combed) in Kashmir and the wild or feral goats of the higher Himalayas where the wool is collected from moulting and snags etc. Maybe it is this difference "wild is better" that may have been the source for more recent fashion preference for pashmina as opposed to cashmere Bonnyjars 12:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article says that it means 'from wool' then it says it means 'soft gold'.. Another contradiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.31.84 (talk) 05:49, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Photo[edit]

It would be nice to have a photo of someone wearing this item of clothing. --Dangherous 14:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have photos of two [purported] pashmina/silk carpets from Kashmir seen recently in a gallery in New Delhi. But, I cannot figure how to upload them. Help, anybody? Steveg va (talk) 02:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

The last little bit needs to be rewritten in a more neutral tone and also not like a how-to-buy guide. Katr67 22:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Capra hircus != himalayan mountain goat?[edit]

Isn't Capra hircus the scientific name for all domesticated goats? The article seems to imply that it's a name for a specific type of goat in the Hamalayas. Jun-Dai (talk) 07:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Fashion|importance=XXX|class=B Having just researched and purchased from the PASHMINAS MARKET in Kathmandu Nepal at better price than the article quoted lowest ((NR1000-1300) we found this article of good quality. Suggest NOT buying from Tamil district, but asking locals for directions to the market. Even better take a local with you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.139.22.161 (talk) 11:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where do you start[edit]

The thing that should be special about a Pashmina scarf is the method of manufacture and the place of manufacture. A little bit of history.

Kashmir which was called cashmere at the end of the 18^th century produced from goat down imported from Tibet and Tartary a light weight patterned scarf using a weaving method that resulted in the pattern being the same on both sides. The French produced a knockoff that took less labor and was created on a standard loom, as a result cashmere lost it's meaning and the word is used to describe the goat down. In Kashmir you can find shawls of great fineness and softness that have been in the family for generations. To be fair to Kashmir these shawls need a name other than cashmere. Unfortunately Pashmina and cashmere is now used synonymously, and some of the products that claim to be pashmina even contain wool. Consider as an example the photos in this article and it's contents. What do you do? Charles Esson (talk) 09:12, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I'm on a Boat"[edit]

Two edits directly or indirectly refer to the music video "I'm on a Boat", the lyrics of which mention "a nautical-themed pashmina afghan". While not grossly inappropriate, the notability of this reference is questionable, as are any attempts to attribute a rise in popularity of the garment to reference in the music video. Should these edits be considered vandalism? MyrCyn (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture[edit]

I vote we trash this section. Maybe if a prominent fashion designer used the stuff we should mention that, but the section as is? I don't see anything redeemable about the current section, and don't quite see the point of a pop culture section on a fiber. Can you imagine one on cotton or wool? So I've gone ahead and deleted it-if anyone objects please say so. Loggie (talk) 11:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. Thanks for taking it down. --Keithonearth (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

banned!![edit]

pashmina is supposed to be freaking banneddd!!! i am trying to find out why but no help anywhere!!

Pashmina is often confused with shatoosh. Shahtoosh is banned because getting it harms the animal. Pashmina does not. If you the two keywords: pashmina banned you get several pages which explain this, as will the Shahtoosh page. Centerone (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That is, "if you [web search] the two keywords: pashmina banned".. Centerone (talk) 23:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Kashmir shawl" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kashmir shawl. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 06:29, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Kashmiri shawl" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kashmiri shawl. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Editing[edit]

I'm planning to edit and expand this page. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 05:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this page moved, without any discussion? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kautilya3, I didn't expect it to be uncontroversial, because "pashmina" can refer to two different things: the material and the shawl (i.e. a pashmina). I'm happy to have a discussion if you disagree. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 10:21, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]