Talk:Paris Lees

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"Born 1987/1988" -- well, which?[edit]

İ 86.130.41.222 (talk) 01:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Her birthdate isn't public; hence, as she was 25 at the time of the BBC article, she could've been born in the range of Nov. 1987–Oct. 1988. Sceptre ^(talk) 02:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Male or Female Pronoun[edit]

Appears to be an edit war over use of he v she. My opinion is that if born male then he and if born female then she. However perhaps a discussion is in order as some others seem to disagree.

Agree - should be a He. Yet a poll may be needed, rather than threats of blocks.

Partially disagree - post operation, pronoun should match the transformation. However before person considered transformation then pronoun should match that determined by birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg80Wall (talk • contribs) 21:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Go and read our policies on this. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:17, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:IDENTITY is clear on this: "In such cases we favor self-designation, even when source usage would indicate otherwise." No poll is needed as policy is crystal clear on this matter. —Tom Morris (talk) 08:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"They" until they self-specify their preference, perhaps they regardless. --2600:8806:2400:EF00:911F:4152:BFE0:C99D (talk) 13:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary Quotations[edit]

I'm sure that Paris has said many memorable remarks, however what make any of them encyclopedic. The one that I deleted I felt was used so someone could inadvertently enter the word "piss" in the form of a quotation. If however another editor feels that the quote is worthy despite of the vulgar word then I for one would be interested to hear the reasons.

Wikipedia is not censored. JJARichardson (talk) 18:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Partially agree - wikipedia is uncensored. However worthy of wikipedia perhaps not.

Good point - suggest quote be removed as not fit for wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg80Wall (talk • contribs) 21:35, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Transfeminist[edit]

The article says she identifies as a feminist, but transfeminism is a specific school of thought, not just any trans woman who identifies as a feminist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.65.213.200 (talk) 17:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Activism career[edit]

This timeline of Lees' activism career looks like a good starting point for research. Per WP:UGC, sites like this one can't be cited as a reliable source, but its list of events in Lees' career (with dates and descriptions) has lots of material to search for. —Ringbang (talk) 13:08, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name and birthday?[edit]

In other trans articles it's like this - "Chelsea Elizabeth Manning (born Bradley Edward Manning, December 17, 1987) is an..." but do we not know Lees' birth name or birthday? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.187.23 (talk) 19:48, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The policies of WP:V and WP:BLP apply. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, just as if Paris Lees were twins, and Paris Lees is here, and Paris Lees's twin has moved on -- and you are asking about Paris Lee's twin, or their parents and or birth-certificate-witness-doctor and or government-clerk-registrar -- but they are not the subject of the article. Perhaps we need a discussion or report of trans gender people as twin-spirits, and explore how one spirit lasted in other people's imagination presumably from birth to self-awareness, the second spirit manifest at self-awareness and self-identification. But, again, I think that is not the purpose of this article. In an effort to treat all people equally, engaging such general-purpose policies as WP:V ( verifiability ) and WP:BLP ( biographies of living persons ) seems the way to go for a reference encyclopedia, rather than thoughtlessly saying "well, we do this for normal folks, trans gender people must be abnormal if they resist" ... maybe, instead, we should re-think why we do anything for anyone, and come up with a non-biased approach that does not stigmatize anyone, and does not act knee-jerk presumptuous that a majority experience is definitive of what's appropriate, rather than merely being a majority experience. --2600:8806:2400:EF00:911F:4152:BFE0:C99D (talk) 13:34, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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