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Impoverished site[edit]

Even though this is a site about languages, there is almost no actual relevant linguistic information here. I will start to add some of this, particularly from Buck, but also other sources, as I am able.Johundhar (talk) 20:09, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sabellic from 1911 Britannica[edit]

I moved the following text here, since it is rather rambling and outdated. Someone who really knows about this might try to merge it into the appropriate articles, but I am guessing it's not worth it. Chl 21:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Sabellic, the name originally given by Mommsen in his Unteritalische Dialekte to the pre-Roman dialects of Central Italy which was neither Oscan nor Umbrian. The progress of study has, however, grouped them under more specific names, such as the "North Oscan" group and the "Latinian" group, and the only content now left for the term Sabellic consists of a group of 8 or 9 inscriptions to which it certainly cannot be applied with truth.

They are probably, if not certainly, the most ancient inscriptions in existence on Italian soil. Since they were all found on a strip of the eastern coast running from the mouth of the Aternus on the south to Pesaro on the north, it is probably best to call them simply "East Italic" or "Adriatic." Not even the transcription of their alphabet has reached the stage of certainty, for even in this small number of inscriptions the alphabet seems to vary. The chief doubt is about the value of W and V (or A and A) which appear beside the symbol A on the same inscriptions; and of the dots in the middle of the Iine which are certainly not interpuncts. They may conceivably have some connexion with the dots in Venetic inscriptions, which RS Conway has endeavoured to explain.

The most striking characteristic of the group of inscriptions is that the direction of the writing in alternate lines is not merely reversed but inverted ("serpentine boustrophedon" as on the Etruscan stele of Capua of the 5th century BC). Thus if the first line consisted of the letters ABC. in that order, the next would be UQ, i.e. with each letter turned so as to face the left, and with its head downwards. This arrangement appears in some of the Venetic inscriptions also.

The longest of the inscriptions is that from Grecchio, now preserved in the Naples Museum. The probability is that this and all the rest were epitaphs, but a translation is as yet out of the question. The stone from Castrignano gives us certain forms which seem to be recognizable as Indo-European, namely paterefo, materefo, though it is far from certain that the symbol N, which is here represented by f, really has that value. Pauli's conjecture that these inscriptions probably represented the language of some settlers from Illyria has little support except that of some coincidences in tribal and local names on the two sides of the Adriatic (e.g. "Truentum, quod solum Liburnorum in Italia relicuum est" (Pliny Nat. Hist. iii. 1 ro), -entum being a frequent Illyrian ending, and Liburni an Illyrian tribe), though it is a priori likely enough.

For the authorities for the alphabets and the text of the inscriptions as known down to 1897, see R. S. Conway's Italic Dialects (Cambridge, 1897), ii. 528; and nothing has yet (1908) been added to what was written about the alphabets by Karl Pauli (Altital. Stud. iii., "Die Venter,". Leipzig, 1891, pp. 220 seq. and p. 423). Some plausible (but wholly uncertain) conjectures by W. Deecke as to the meaning of some of the inscriptions may be sought in the appendix to Zvetaieff's Inscrr. Italiae inferioris dialecticae; and since 1897 a further inscription of this class has been found at Belmonte Piceno, which is preserved in the museum at Bologna and reported by Brizio in Notiz. degli scavi, 1903, p. 104.

Prestonian?[edit]

What on earth is the "Prestonian" language? I thought I knew a little bit about this subject--but this is a new one to me.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjhrynick (talk • contribs) 20:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to have disappeared. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.195.47 (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It might have been a feeble joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.195.47 (talk) 15:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish[edit]

The box at the top of the page says "Spanish". Spanish is of the Latin type, but not immediately relevant to Oscan and the like. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.195.47 (talk) 12:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]