Talk:Ordsall Hall

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Inconsistency[edit]

"There was probably a house at Ordsall by 1251 when William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby, exchanged the manor for land in Pendleton."

I've moved this from the History section to here because it seems to be inconsistent with the claim that Ordsall Hall is 820 years old. --Malleus Fatuarum 19:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How can a "Tudor mansion" be 820 years old anyway? --Malleus Fatuarum 21:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright[edit]

Much of this article appears to have been copied and pasted from the Salford City Council web site, [1], and so needs to be rewritten or deleted. --Malleus Fatuarum 21:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

There's a bit about both Ordsall and the hall at The History of the County of Lancaster. Looks very usable. --Jza84 | Talk 00:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's used once already. I had a look through (albeit only briefly, I'm trying to sift through the information that site provides for Warwick Castle and it gets a bit tedious when it's just dates of repairs) and it seems most elements are already covered. It would be nice to get hold of a plan of the hall, but that's minor. It's a really good article and I can't see it having trouble at WP:GAC. Nev1 (talk) 00:18, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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This article meets the Good Article criteria and has therefore been passed. Gary King (talk) 01:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photos[edit]

I've uploaded some new photos of the hall that may be useful (while I was adding them I decided to take a look on flickr and the only image we can use that it worth uploading is this one, but I haven't uploaded it yet because it's similar to others. I've have more images, although mainly of the exterior. There are some of the Great Hall and the Star Chamber. I wasn't able to get an image like this as whenever I tried to take a picture, the sun was far too low and there was too much glare. Nev1 (talk) 19:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Old copyvio?[edit]

On 30 January 2007 Fatpratmatt (talk · contribs) made this edit to the article. The text appears to be duplicated almost entirely at Salford City Council's website. The wayback machine doesn't have a copy of the page so it's not impossible that they borrowed content from Wikipedia, but my feeling is that's not the case. Although the article has been substantially rewritten since then, a few examples do survive. I'll help where I can. Nev1 (talk) 11:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The copyvio has been confirmed. The webpage moved address, but the wayback machine had a version from 10 March 2007. And according to the archived page it "was last updated on 16 October 2006", before Fatpratmatt's edit in January 2007. Nev1 (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Input needed[edit]

In the earliest description of the house, from 1380, it is described as comprising a hall, five chambers, a kitchen, a chapel, two stables, three granges, two shippons, a garner, a dovecote, an orchard and a windmill, together with 80 acres (32.4 ha) of arable land and 6 acres (2.4 ha) of meadow.

I'm tempted to put the above description in quotes, however there are two slight problems: 1) the Salford.gov webpage doesn't use quotes, so it's probably not precisely what the original source would have said (in translation) as would be the implication 2) the conversions aren't given in the Salford.gov webpage. I'm not quite sure how to proceed here; I'd like to just tweak what's written to change it into a quote, but is the first issue to problematic? Nev1 (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd go for using a quote, but start with: "Drawing on the earliest description of the house, from 1380, the Salford City Council describes how it comprised...", making clear its not a contemporary quote. The conversions could be put in square brackets, again making it clear that they're not in the original, perhaps. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:16, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good grief, I'd completely forgotten about this. I've chosen to use the wording you suggested. Nev1 (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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