Talk:Ordoño I of Asturias

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Muniadona[edit]

Do you have a source that suggests she is Basque? There may be (in fact there is) a source that says she was probably from Castile, and there may be a source that says Basques resided in Castile, but to string these together without an explicit statement that Muniadona is Basque is WP:ORIGINAL SYN. Agricolae (talk) 04:01, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I do not have a source right now, but you may add yours. At this seminal point in Western Europe, name and ethnicity go together unless that name belongs to a status language, then it may be uncertain (we find Adalric to be a Basque in Gascony), you should know by now since as far as I see you are interested in medieval Pyrenean and north Iberian genealogy, and I think you are rigorous enough. I have no doubt that Munia is a Basque name (probably a variation of amuna/amuña, both meaning nowadays 'grandmother' in central dialects (amona/amoña) but possibly meaning another thing at that time (aitona, meaning 'grandfather' in central dialects), is "aitunen seme" = hidalgo in eastern dialects (Zuberoa/Soule) where aitatxi is currently 'grandfather'. Alfonso II's mother Munia was a Basque, 100 years before. Euskaltzaindia records the name in the present-day Basque area, but it's all around the central and western Pyrenees too. At that time (8, 9 centuries and later) all northern and eastern Castille (Bardulia, Cantabria,...) was Basque ethnic too, attested in Basque place and person names, that's why I added possibly, since many leads point in that direction and that's fair and relevant to provide the information. However, since we are sticking strictly to the rules, you may add your source. Iñaki LL (talk) 07:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]