Talk:Operation Wheeler/Wallowa

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Title change[edit]

The title of this page needs to be changed to "Wheeler/Wallowa", but I don't know how to do that. Mpaloutz 23:36, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My Lai Massacre was part of Operation Muscatine, not Operation Wheeler/Walllowa[edit]

The My Lai Massacre took place in March 1968 during Operation Muscatine, not Operation Wheeler/Wallowa which ended in February 1968, so don't add it to this page. Mztourist (talk) 08:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spencer Tucker's source clearly lists My Lai Massacre as a side mission and Wheeler/Wallowa ending in November 1968. There were also prior mentions of it here before you removed it inexplicably. Go take it up with MilHist.Deogyusan (talk) 06:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tucker is wrong. Google Operation Muscatine. Look at the references on the My Lai Massacre page which refer to the massacre occurring in the Muscatine area of operations and do not mention Wheeler/Wallowa. Otherwise you "go take it up with Milhist". Mztourist (talk) 06:54, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So some random editor knows more than Spencer C. Tucker, good to know. This was stable before you started removing the My Lai reference. You take it up and stop RVing stuff on lies. Deogyusan (talk) 06:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not "random editors" they are the official US military history and multiple other WP:RS. The fact that the 23rd Infantry Division committed the My Lai Massacre under another operation is irrelevant to this page. As you seem to think Tucker is the only reliable source, tell me exactly what he says on pages 784-6 and 1340-1 about the My Lai Massacre taking place during Operation Wheeler/Wallowa. If you bother to read Villard [1] at page 487-8 it states "Also participating in Muscatine was Task Force Barker, a group composed of three infantry companies and a partial artillery battery drawn from various parts of the 11th Infantry Brigade..." Pages 488-96 detail how Task Force Barker conducted the My Lai Massacre. You need to provide a WP:RS that states explicitly that the My Lai Massacre took place as part of Operation Wheeler/Wallowa, because looking through the refs for My Lai Massacre, including Seymour Hersh and the Peers report I don't see any.Mztourist (talk) 07:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

James Reston in the New York Times 25 November 1969 The Massacre of Songmy: Who Is to Blame? states that "The text of the American MACV communique of March 16 1968 reads "Operation Muscatine, Quang Ngai Province. Thus far, 128 enemy have been killed in an engagement between elements of the Americal Division's Eleventh Light Infantry Brigade and an enemy force of unknown size"" and Seymour Hersh in A Report on the Massacre and its Aftermath in Harper's Magazine, page 58 "One of the task force's main objectives would be keeping pressure on an area a few miles northeast of Quang Ngai City known as Pinkville, the name deriving from the fact that its higher population density caused it to appear in red on Army maps. The operation was given the code name "Muscatine." and this [2] on page 8. Mztourist (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]