Talk:Operation Uphold Democracy

List of sources

FYI, a list of sources on this subject can be found here: [1]. Cla68 (talk) 03:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC) Could someone please verify that Award Certificate? It looks like someone is contributing "facts" based on false credentials. The CRS has no record of any deaths due to hostile action. Same person is claiming to have been custodian of Medal of Honor Roll and has inserted their own name as second addressee on 1997 letter from Rep. Lazio. Unit magazines publish long lists when people are promoted or retire. I don't find any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.30.10.171 (talk) 05:09, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

GROM?

What about the GROM, Polish special forces that fought in Haiti? Kowalmistrz (talk) 08:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Occupation?

"The first United States occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915 and ended in mid-August, 1934." -- So how is this part of the US occupation? --121.72.220.33 (talk) 06:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

multinational

The article describes the operation as a multinational force. The article should be clear about which nations participated, and in what capacity.

According to this, "Over 5,000 non-U.S. forces from 24 nations assisted in this peacekeeping mission."

However this explains that there were International Police "provided by more than 20 countries on 6 continents, under the leadership of former New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly".

Was this police unit and training program considered part of the US-led operation? John Vandenberg ^(chat) 10:05, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Diplomatic delegation

Corrected the diplomatic delegation at the start of the article. Original said retired General Colin Powell led the diplomatic delegation. Former President Carter led the delegation and was the spokesman for the diplomacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.197.239.219 (talk) 05:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

In 1994, DoD auth. Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal for this OP.

USCGC BOUTWELL was the USCG Flagship providing cnc and high-risk prisoner transport. 69.225.237.231 (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC) USCGC Padre was tasked with harbor security. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.180.97.153 (talk) 00:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

USCGC Mohawk (WMEC-913) was CNC Cutter with CDR Beardsworth Commodore for Operation Uphold Democracy. This may have been a relief and partial time. PO3 Smith personal account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.0.41 (talk) 09:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Good Source

Dobbins et al. "America's Role In Nation-Building: From Germany To Iraq" is a great source on this topic and other similar cases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.150.233.132 (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

NPOV

The article has NPOV problems. Generally, there is a pro-United States POV, e.g. "the capable diplomatic efforts of the American delegation", and more. Mattflaschen - Talk 07:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

• @Mattflaschen: I Agree and I've added templates accordingly. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Maintain Democracy

I was part of 1/87 IN while deployed to Haiti. My company was charged with providing security at the palace on 15 October 1994 when at 1200J Aristide officially returned to office. At that time Operation Uphold Democracy officially ended and Operation Maintain Democracy began. Why isnt this mentioned? Solri89 (talk) 13:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Haitian deaths

When and how did the "100-200" Haitian losses occur? The one US death is clear enough, but the text itself implies there was no other combat and it is not clear how 100-200 haitians died or why that number is so variable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.151.103.241 (talk) 21:11, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

This might have to do with the coup that put Cedras in power. According to The Despot's Accomplice, somewhere between 1000 and 3000 protesters were killed by soldiers. However, I don't think this would be part of OUD, and anyway the numbers were much higher in the post-coup killing. Jlevi (talk) 16:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

This entire article is complete nonsense... The USA wanted Aristide gone so Clinton kidnapped him and had him exiled...

All Haitians know that this entire event was staged by the USA who did not like that Aristide was getting in their way in Haiti... Aristide would never be kicked out by the people as he was voted in by 90% of the vote and was very popular... The Clintons wanted him gone so they made up this COO nonsense to kidnap him and remove him... you mean the USA couldn't beat these so called rebels? REALLY? The USA probably trained these small rebel group as a pretext to kick Aristide out. This is common knowledge by Haitians who protested after he left and celebrated when he finally was allowed back AFTER the BUSHES left office! There is a Article about this... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-mar-02-fg-usrole2-story.html

Now think about this... why would the Americans try to negotiate with the rebels and then give them what they want... removing the democratically elected president by force??? thats unprecedented... they could have brought him back after the destroying the rebels but they barred Aristide from coming back and took him to the heart of Africa where he had no choice in the matter??? why not take him to Florida? this was the USA'S</ref> doing through and through and all Haitians know it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.157.196.60 (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Missing Information

The article skips some information.

It leaves out the U.S.S. Wasp's involvement on 20 September with another 3,000 soldiers from the 10th Mountain Division deploying to Port-au-Prince and about 1,800 marines launching an amphibious landing into Cap Haitien from the ship.

It also leaves out the involvement from the very beginning, of the Military Intelligence Battalion (Low Intensity), from SOUTHCOM, that provided real time imagery intelligence by orbiting aircraft with almost 24-7 coverage over both Cap Haitien and Port-au-Prince. Flight operations were based out of Providenciales, 220 miles north of Haiti and consisted of Dehaviland DHC-7 (0-5A) aircraft known as ARL-I aircraft. Mission control operations were based out of the battalion's headquarters located on the Naval Training Center, Orlando Florida. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.163.51.71 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

US Coast Guard Involvement

USCGC PAPAW (WLB 308) was the first US ship into Port au Prince Harbor. They sent in a small boat with a towed array to survey the harbor, then laid out a channel using foam buoys before the US Navy was allowed into the harbor. Her involvement is overlooked. 47.203.60.174 (talk) 03:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Single US death

I wondered about the single US death in the conflict, and found a source that reported it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1995/01/13/us-soldier-is-killed-in-haiti-battle/95a6d04b-f8d6-4001-b845-2943547dcd51/. At a glance, I don't think we have coverage of the skirmish where it happened. I'll leave it to someone else to decide if this would be a useful addition. --BDD (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

No Polish involvement mentioned?

Poland has sent 51 GROM SMU operators who also contributed to restoring Haitan government. I Guard Wiki (talk) 12:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

No Air Force operations details?

no details mentioned about USAF operations. The 39th Airlift SQ led the initial airborne formations, consisting of 27 C-130 aircraft, departing from MacDill AFB. Many of these aircraft were over max combat weights due to loads of equipment and fuel, yet lacked sufficient fuel to return to MacDill, had the airborne assault been conducted. It was decided aircraft with insufficient fuel would land at various airports on the planned return flight path.

With all 27 aircraft enroute to Haiti departing in serials, only one aircraft had to abort; the 7th serial lead aircraft from Pope AFB, heading the last 7 aircraft in the planned 27-ship formation, experienced an emergency, turning over lead to C-130H from the 39th squadron of Dyess AFB, Texas.

Shortly after the changeover of the 7th serial, civilian air traffic controllers radioed the formations that the mission was now canceled. A humorous incident was this radio call was so unexpected, mission leaders tried to authenticate the air traffic controllers until military satellite communications confirmed the mission abort order.

Unfortunately, planners had made no provisions for a full mission abort. This forced a very ad hoc series of decisions as the aircraft were too heavy with fuel and equipment to allow landing, so entire sections of the formation dumped fuel over the ocean, finally returning to their associated bases afterwards.

All aircrews were placed on standby and were soon re-purposed to infil US forces into Poat au Prince and Cap Hatien, and eventually relocated to Puerto Rico to support the full range of airlift missions in Operation UPHOLD DEMOCRACY. 104.137.63.85 (talk) 03:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)