Talk:November 2009 nor'easter

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Source of info[edit]

The HPC advisories on Ida talk about the formation of this new low, and could be used as an additional source of information. Thegreatdr (talk) 09:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NOAA report on the entire event Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
NY/NJ/PA Weather Summary Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:40, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name?[edit]

I know this suggestion is coming a bit late, but how about calling the article "Nor'Ida" since that's what I call it if I talk about the storm with friends. It was the Nor'Ida, not the "November 2009 mid-atlantic nor'easter." I've already created a "Nor'Ida" page as a redirect to the current article, but I feel like I might as well at least ask the question - should it be the other way around? Maadio (talk) 15:46, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One could argue that fairly safely. It seems like I hear it referred to as the media-coined Nor'Ida most frequently. No entity names extratropical cyclones in North America. Any other thoughts? Thegreatdr (talk) 12:14, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Hurricane Ida (2009)[edit]

This storm is basically the extra tropical version of Ida,since it was formed from the remnants of Ida.So shouldn't it be merged with Hurricane Ida into one single Article?(I would call the new article Hurricane/Nor'easter Ida) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.224.179 (talk) 19:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's technically a separate system. According to the National Hurricane Center, Ida dissipated not long after moving ashore in the Gulf Coast and a new low formed to the north. This new low became the nor'easter and is a separate entity from Hurricane Ida. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:37, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While it did form from Ida's mid-level circulation, this was a separate surface low. We should likely treat it similarly to how NHC treated Helene and Karl of 1998 for consistency's sake, i.e. two systems even though they shared the same mid-level circulation. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:12, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, not everything needs to be merged. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 17:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't they? :P Seriously though, I think whatever is decided here should also be applied to Hurricane Juan (1985), a storm that also had a significant tropical history and a significant related extratropical history (incidentally also causing damage in Virginia). This article mostly seems long because of the images, fwiw. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This page seems to be almost completely copied from a section of Hurricane Ida (2009), so I still vote for merge 76.124.224.179 (talk) 19:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a proposed merger. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the merge proposal was: No Consensus for merger. LightandDark2000 (talk) 22:01, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Formal request has been received to merge the article November 2009 nor'easter into Hurricane Ida; dated: October 2017. Proposer's Rationale: redevelopment of the same storm. Discuss here. Pinging @Cyclonebiskit: @Thegreatdr: @Yellow Evan: @Hurricanehink: as editors involved in the previous discussion in 2012. Richard3120 (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose - Although related, these are 2 separate storms. Ida's remnant low (and possibly the low-level circulation) dissipated on November 10; Ida's remnants contributed to the formation of a new low pressure center on November 11, which then went on to absorb Ida's remnants and become the powerful nor'easter that this article talks about. LightandDark2000 (talk) 08:40, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see this being argued either way so I'll be neutral. Ida and the Nor'easter were essentially the same mid-level energy that kept reforming new surface lows. It's a question of semantics. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it was the same general Meteorological system, even if it wasn’t the exact same low pressure system. Wasn’t this called Nor’Ida anyway? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 23:47, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Was it really the same storm in essence? The NHC's Tropical Cyclone Report for Hurricane Ida suggests otherwise. If they really are the same storm, then the articles should be merged, but we will need sources to prove this. LightandDark2000 (talk) 01:31, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, a lot of media outlets and even weather agencies call some extratropical systems by the name of the former tropical system, or that of the storm it absorbed. For example, the new low that split off from Typhoon Nuri's remnant and absorbed the latter developed into a very powerful bomb cyclone, yet the US Government referred to that storm as "Post-Tropical Cyclone Nuri." LightandDark2000 (talk) 09:44, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyclonebiskit, Hurricanehink, and Yellow Evan: Any further thoughts on this? If this discussion doesn't get any further input, I'll close it as no consensus within a couple of weeks. LightandDark2000 (talk) 04:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion appears to have died out, with No Consensus. LightandDark2000 (talk) 10:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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