Talk:Nitrogen crisis in the Netherlands

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Introduction and History sections[edit]

This is a complex subject. It is probably best to write a short introduction with the chemical and legal aspects. This should not contain any judgements or reference to party political actions.

A history section could then expand on the influence of politics on the crisis. This might also give due attention to other actors in the nitrogen crisis.Grieg2 (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think a short summary in the lead paragraph per WP:LEAD should do. Political actions are bound to be referenced, considering how the nitrogen/construction crisis only exists in its current form as it was recognized and handled as such by the government (the Council of State foremost). Criticism of its handling of the crisis resulted in a pro-farmer political movement sweeping the provincial and water board elections earlier this year, so I don't think we're escaping inclusion of political parties and their decision-making on the matter (within WP:NPOV, of course). With the recent fall of the cabinet and end of the 12-year Rutte era of cabinets, renewed political influence on the nitrogen crisis also seems likely. --NFSreloaded (talk) 18:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not implying that political actions and responsibilities should be left out. To the contrary, I strongly advocate to have a very extensive and properly referenced overview of the political side of this crisis, that has indeed been caused by Dutch politicians. (And not by the EU, as many Dutch politicans are trying to imply.) I am trying to convey that a non-judgemental section about chemistry, Natura2000, PAS, and the council of state verdict could introduce this complex subject. If the reader has this basic knowledge of the problem, the political side can then be properly explained.Grieg2 (talk) 18:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, as stated in the lead sentence the crisis is both "ecological and legal". For now, the introductory five paragraphs of the Dutch article make up the entirety of this article, so translating the rest of it seems the logical next step. --NFSreloaded (talk) 14:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]