Talk:Nebelwerfer

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Nebelwerfer 41 & 42[edit]

I'm not entirely sure the 41 and 42 deserve their own articles. I don't think these variants had a big enough impact on their own to warrant more than a sub-section here. Any thoughts? --Xanzzibar 17:29, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It may indeed be more logical to keep everything together and run through each individual rocket & launcher type using sub-sections. --Colin H 22:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I redirected Nebelwerfer 41 and 42 to this article so it is similar to the article on Katyusha that doesn't have seperate articles for it's variants. --Sus scrofa 11:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Wasn't "Nebel" the designer's name? I'm not sure where I read it, but I think the weapon has nothing to do with "fog" or "smoke". -- Syzygy 08:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's a code name (I think) or it was intially intended as a smoke launcher only IIRC. --Sus scrofa 11:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The Nebelwerfer is not named for or designed by Rudolf Nebel. --Xanzzibar 12:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nebel = fog ?[edit]

I'm not sure that nebel means "fog" in this context. Smoke grenades are called nebelgranaten as far as I can tell, and that's not a code name so perhaps in German military lingo, nebel has the additional meaning of "smoke"?--Sus scrofa 15:32, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While the German term is einnebeln for laying a smoke screen, nebel definitely means fog, i.e. water particles, not smoke, i.e. solid particles. The Nebelwerfer not being a smoke launcher, the term should probably be translated as fog thrower, not transposed as smoke launcher.

Well this dictionary says that Nebelwerfer = smoke mortar/discharger and nebelgranate = smoke ball and this says nebelgranate = smoke grenade/canister while this says einnebelnd = fogging. I think that in a military context, nebel means smoke in German. Translation is not only a matter of taking the literal meaning from one language to the other. For instance the word werfer would literally mean "thrower", but the word is used in German to signify what is called "launcher" or "mortar" in English, so a more correct translation would be just that depending on context. Not that I'm an expert or anything.--Sus scrofa (talk) 19:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Line "The ammunition was known as Wurfgranate 41, German for "rocket grenade"." Is not correct: Wurfgranate means throwing grenade, not rocket grenade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.135.74.36 (talk) 18:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't add any solid facts, but the Nebelwerfer (lit. fog thrower) could very well be using Wurfgranaten ("thrown" grenades)
Nebel -> fog , Rauch -> smoke, so it has either to be invented by a guy named "Nebel" or actually fog was meant. Anyway the only good translation would be fogtrower or maybe Nebel-trower... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.225.206.77 (talk) 19:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As per sources cited in my above post, it does indeed seem like nebel means smoke in this context. --Sus scrofa (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article intro has an explanation why they are called "Nebelwerfer" and this is correct. Please don't try a literal translation. The weapons were originally designed for chemical warfare, the specialized army branch for this had the cover designation "Nebeltruppe". --Denniss (talk) 20:59, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Nebelwerfer was named after Rudolf Nebel, a German rocket pioneer. 'Nebel' means fog in German, and the name was kept as a camouflage name in order to cover the true meaning oft this weapon type. It was not designed for chemical warfare. --77.10.71.223 (talk) 03:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect subline[edit]

Being the Wikinut I am, I typed in the page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurfrahmen_40", expecting an article on the Wurfrahmen 40 rocket launcher. I got relocated to the Neblewerfer article.

Although I am inable to get enough sources at the moment to move it, I do know off the top of my head the the Wurfrahmen 40 is NOT the same launcher as the Nebelwerfer. I know that the Wurfrahmen 40 was mainly mounted on the side of vehicles (a common nickname being "Stuka zu Fuss"), while the Nebelwerfer 41/42 was mounted in a circular mount. Even a look at the launcher itself shows that it is a very different weapon.

There is a brief mention of the launcher under the SdKfz 251.

So if anyone has the necessary materials, I would greatly appreciate it.

You're right. The Wurfrahmen 40 should have its own article, since it's a combination of the SdKfz 251 halftrack and the Nebelwerfer, and distinct enough to warrant its own article. Even if it weren't, it'd more properly be under the SdKfz article, I think, since it's a variant on it. I'll piece together a stub, and someone with more knowledge should be able to fill it in later. --Xanzzibar 19:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sound[edit]

Considering that this weapon was widely known for the sound it made it would be nice to have a recording of that sound available here.

Cannot see,[edit]

A mention of the real and original intented role for this weapon, which was like for the 107mm mortars of US Army to be CHEMICAL projector with little or no thought being given to use it to deliver EXPLOSIVES until the war had been going on already for quite sometime when they realized that this chemical warfare thing isnt going to happen as we all are to scared of being the first to use and possibly to face much worse retribution and deveploped explosive projectiles to the weapons as they would just sit there useless.

First modern MRL ?[edit]

I will remove this sentence: "The Nebelwerfer was the first modern multiple rocket launcher.". First, it isn't sourced. Second, what is a non-modern MRL ? And third, ALL modern rocket launchers are self-propelled, not towed. - Tourbillon A ? 07:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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