Talk:Native American jewelry/Archive 1

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Am moving this section here in case anyone wants to work with it or restore it to the article... -Uyvsdi (talk) 15:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

1890 directions for making a squash blossom necklace

The silversmith takes a Mexican silver dollar, or any other silver coin, and beats or hammers it out until it has the required thickness, or rather the desired thinness. A sheet of silver with holes of various sizes was set on an iron die.

An iron punch, usually consisting of a bolt with one end rounded off hemispherically, is set square over one of the holes and struck with a hammer. The silversmith uses a hammer to force the silver into the hole. The punch gives it a round bead shape, and also trims off any excess silver.

Round, silver half-beads are smoothed with a file. Two half beads are fitted together to form one round silver bead, which can then be strung on wire to make a necklace of silver beads. Each necklace contained up to one hundred beads.

A naja, or large crescent-shaped pendant, often hangs from the front center of the necklace. Flower-shaped ornaments, resembling squash blossoms, are often hung after every second or third bead. Squash blossom necklaces are highly collectible among Navajo, as well as other tribes and non-natives.

Commercial links

Please do not use this article to promote online stores. That's in violation of WP:NOTADVERTISING and potentially Wikipedia:Conflict of interest if the commercial websites are added by the owners or employees. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

I am not the owner of any book, article or website given as a citation. One of the websites I listed was written by a university professor of Native American culture of a course I took 10 years ago. I consider this individual to be an expert on the subject. Butterfield does have published scholarly articles and a book but I preferred to list a website if it is available.

Also, I prefer to cite excellent website information so that the reader can go instantly to the source listed to learn more detail about the topic. When a reference is made to a book the reader will have a difficult time locating it

If using a known professor's website as a citation is breaking a Wikipedia rule than I appologize. Barbara — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbarabarrington (talk • contribs) 15:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It's your own website, which is self-citation and a general conflict of interest. There is absolutely no shortage of scholarly, non-commercial material about Native America jewelry available on and off the web to provide sources, as I have been steadily demonstrating with added references. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Check Whois to see the owner is Professor Butterfield and I have nothing to do with the website. Also, I am amazed at your punitive attitude. Having a website link in Wikipedia does nothing to help the website search engine ranking or anything else. So why are you so distrustful?

See the website owner Whois info: Domain Name.......... americanindianoriginals.com Creation Date........ 2010-02-20 Registration Date.... 2010-02-20 Expiry Date.......... 2013-02-20 Organisation Name.... Bonnie Butterfield Organisation Address. PO Box 61359 Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Sunnyvale Organisation Address. 94088 Organisation Address. CA Organisation Address. US — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbarabarrington (talk • contribs) 16:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, both online stores are owned by Bonnie Butterfield, and I should thank you for calling my attention to how incomplete this article is, so I've added the NW Coast and Plains sections. Nonetheless, I've observed substantial promotion of the commercial websites here that goes against Wikipedia policy. For the first three days "Bonnie Butterfield- Author of http://americanindianoriginals.com" was the first line in the article. Then you've repeatedly added the same website, as well as nativeamerican-art (also owned by Butterfield) to citations, even replacing cited books with these. [1] [2] [3] So yes, it does appear as if there is an active campaign to promote these commercial websites. Inclusion in Wikipedia may not affect Google rankings but it does drive traffic to the linked sites.

Please take the time to read WP:SOURCES and WP:SELFPUBLISH about what constitutes third-party, reliable, published sources and what doesn't. If Butterfield had published books or published scholarly articles, those would be perfectly acceptable. In the meantime, there are literately thousands of published books covering the topic of Native American jewelry. Museums are devoted to the subject. There is no shortage of good sources. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Just removed an Ebay link from this article. I'm so sick of people (or the same one person) trying to use this article to advertise. -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

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