Talk:National Scout Organization of Thailand

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Mandatory participation[edit]

The reason I placed the "citation needed" marker is because Scout associations _may_not_ be mandatory, else they will lose their WOSM recognition. Several countries have lost their membership due to that. Apparently Gerakan Pramuka in Indonesia started off nationalist and mandatory, and absorbed an earlier Scout association. Chris 23:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I put this there because I have seen this in Thailand when I've been there, several times. It's also what my wife, who is a native Thai, told me. I'll ask for clarification. Given what you said, right now, my guess is that it's more like "participation in a youth group" is mandatory, yet most choose Scouts. Also, I'll see if she, her friends, or family get me more info on Thai Scouting so I can expand this article.Rlevse 14:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thai script[edit]

It would be cool to have at least the name of the organization in Thai script. Chris 03:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea how to get foreign scripts into wiki, unless you do it with a photo. Rlevse 11:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's just copy and paste. Since Wikipedia uses UTF-8 most scripts do work without further extensions. --jergen 13:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

but how do you type on your keyboard to generate the script, or do you need a Thai keyboard to do that? So, if you find said script on a web site somewhere, you just copy and paste it and it will work under UTF-8? Rlevse 13:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to type Thai, but there is software emulating a Thai keyboard [1].

Here, I just copied the script from the Thai Scouting website and pasted it into the article. Using the preview I saw that this worked ;-) But there are some alphabets that need further installing eg the Khmer script. --jergen 16:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

attention tag[edit]

Needs an infobox, using the clearer logo midway in the article. Chris 04:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.Rlevse 21:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tiger Cubs[edit]

I've added the links with regards to Tiger Cubs because I found this page looking for the countries known as the Tiger Cubs. I do feel that for anyone who comes direct to the NSOT page (rather than being redirected from Tiger Cubs) it might appear a bit odd. It might be better to change the redirect for Tiger Cubs to the economies and then on the Tiger Cub Economies page link back to here. If you agree, feel free to change it. However, please don't just remove my change - I think it wouldn't be uncommon for people to type in 'Tiger Cubs' meaning the countries rather than the scouts. TimKasoar (talk) 11:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Village Scouts[edit]

The Village Scouts (Thai: ลูกเสือชาวบ้าน) were intensely trained and recruited to despise Communists and other "un-Thai" characters.... [Why did we do that?

King Bhumibol had written a code of behavior.
The Village Scout Movement in Thailand

The Village Scouts of Thailand. Marjorie A. Muecke. Asian Survey Vol. 20, No. 4 (Apr., 1980), pp. 407-427 (article consists of 21 pages) Published by: University of California Press. You may view the first page/citation. Full-text access may be available if you are affiliated with a participating library or publisher. Check access options or login if you have an account. Stable URL: JSTOR cite

Rituals of National Loyalty: An Anthropology of the State and the Village Scout Movement in Thailand. By Katherine A. Bowie. New York: Columbia University Press, 1997. 393 pp.

For the first sixty years or so of Thai constitutional monarchy government, change and continuity of politics were determined mainly within the small elite classes. That, fortunately, meant coups, counter-coups, murders and assassinations, and other forms of intimidation and betrayal were cultivated and used almost exclusively among and upon the elite themselves. Since politics revolved around a small circle of related people, most of the political violence took place in covert acts and in nonadministrative manners.

But this salient aspect of violence in Thai politics was dramatically altered in the massacre of 6 October 1976. In the morning of that day, the municipal police and the Border Patrol Police (BPP) units together with the Red Gaurs, Village Scouts, and Nawaphon [นาวาพล "boat scouts"] attacked the peaceful demonstrations in the football field of Thammasat University. Thousands of people, including students and workers, were protesting against the return of the deposed Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn to the country. The unarmed demonstrators were violently and cruelly put down. Many ran for their lives, some three thousand were arrested and, according to official figures, 145 were wounded and 46 died. The 6 October massacre effectively checked the tide of people's politics and participation, especially from the students and underprivileged classes like workers, peasants, and small producers, in political process and system.

It is widely known that the various right-wing groups which violently attacked the demonstrators were organized by the state; the Krating Daeng, or Red Gaurs, was established by the military's Internal Security Operations Command (ISOC), the Village Scouts by the BPP, and the Nawaphon by the Interior Ministry.

--Pawyilee (talk) 10:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Use of non-free images[edit]

The use of a non-free image in an article needs to satisfy all of the criteria listed at WP:NFCCP. When a non-free image is being used in the infobox as the primary means of identification of the subject (like File:National Scout Organization of Thailand.png is being used in this article), the "contextual significance" required by WP:NFCC#8 is considered to be satisified for the most part. When a non-free image is used outside the inforbox and not as the primary means of identification, however, it is harder to satisfy NFCC#8.

The non-free File:National Scout Organization of Thailand girls.svg, File:25th Asia-Pacific Regional Scout Jamboree.png and File:Highest rank (National Scout Organization of Thailand).png are not being used in the infobox as the primary means of identification of "National Scount Organization of Thailand" (even though the non-free use rationales of the last two claim they are) and none of the three is the subject of sourced commentary within the article itself; Therefore, the "contextual significance" required (see WP:NFC#Meeting the contextual significance criterion) is not being shown. The images do have brief descriptive captions, but these are not supported by reliable sources so there is no way to verify the assertions being made and are not enough to show the required significance.

If girl's badge is important because "girls make up over half of the organization, this emblem is included in the article as it represents them specifically" as its non-free use rationale claims, then this information should be added to the article (supported by a reliable source per WP:NOR) and the significance of the image discussed (again supported by a reliable source), so that it actually does "significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic" in a way that "its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". If the "highest rank" and the "25th Asia Pacific" images are needed "to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey", then there should be something within article showing why this image is needed. Otherwise, usage of all three images is purely "decorative" and not something allowed per WP:NFCC.

The above was discussed at WP:NFCR#File:National Scout Organization of Thailand girls.svg and File:25th Asia-Pacific Regional Scout Jamboree.png, but the same conclusion was essentially reached: More is needed in the article about the non-free images used outside of the infobox to show they are important to the reader's understanding. Note that both File:Highest rank (National Scout Organization of Thailand).png and File:25th Asia-Pacific Regional Scout Jamboree.png were tagged with {{non-free Scout logo nocontent}} quite a number of years ago and still nothing about the images has been added to the article. The "nocontent" template says:

There is no significant content in the article that relates to this logo. Without related content, this image serves no apparent purpose and may have the appearance of a purely decorative use. Note that non-free images may not be used in galleries. This image is subject to removal from the article and/or deletion if its use is not justified through relevant content.

This is exactly why these image's should not be used until their usage can be "justified through relevant content". - Marchjuly (talk) 22:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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