Talk:Nashville International Airport

Charter vs. Regular Service in the Destinations Table

Started this with VenFlyer98 on their talk page, moving here for wider discussion on the Red Way/JSX inclusion on the destination lists at BNA. Even though they sell individual seats and appear to be operated on a schedule, JSX and Red Way are still public charter airlines legally speaking (from JSX: "Flights are public charters sold by JetSuiteX, Inc...." and Red Way: "Flights are public charters sold by Red Way acting as a Sales Agent on behalf of GlobalX Air Tours, LLC..."). I'm a little less concerned about Red Way, as they appear to at least use the public terminal, however JSX appears to use FBOs instead of the public terminal.

I propose we keep Red Way and label them as Charter in the table, which is an acceptable thing to do per the WP:Airports style guide. As for JSX, since they operate out of the FBO and not the terminal, I think it's worth discussing whether or not they belong in the table at all.nf utvol (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Firstly, apologies for reverting your edit, didn't see the talk page initially.

However, you completely removed them and even if we classify them as charters they shouldn't be removed. Note 10 under the Airlines and Destinations section WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT say the only charters that aren't included are irregular, ad-hoc, or private ones, which JSX and Red Way obviously aren't since anyone can book a ticket on them and they have set schedules. So at a minimum, they'll be included in destination tables.

Now, there are plenty of destination tables on Wikipedia airport pages that list charter flights, however, most of these are as defined by Air charter: usually routes that aren't easily available that you cannot buy an individual seat on. I also want to point out it shouldn't really matter that JSX uses private FBOs as terminals since the rest of their operations are pretty similar to your standard airline. You buy individual seats, they have a set route network, and they have set schedules. Also, not sure if you are aware since you only made the edit to BNA's page but JSX is listed in the destination tables on the airport pages for all destinations they fly to. I think overall, while they are legally defined as a charter airline, it should be left alone as they sell individual seats and essentially run as a regular airline (again route network, schedules, etc) but that's just my 2 cents. (VenFlyer98 (talk) 08:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC))

No worries on the revert! I should have engaged in discussion first, that's 100% on me. And yes, you're right, they're both on the destination charts for the other airports they fly to as well. In this case, they're both considered "charter by the seat" carriers, and as such fly only limited flights between their city pairs and only offer direct service without connection. There's a good guide to charter by the seat operations here, from the Air charter sources. Considering this legal and functional status, I think that they both should be labelled as charter or seasonal charter not only on BNA, but on all the destination lists in which they appear. Thoughts? nf utvol (talk) 15:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Nf utvol:, reopening this discussion since you re-added the charter tags again and we didn’t really come to a consensus.

As you said, it should be all or nothing. If you’re going to add the tags to BNA’s page, they should be added to all airport pages that Red Way/JSX/Contour fly to, or BNA shouldn't have the tags at all.

Despite the part 135 charter status, I’m in the camp that they shouldn’t have the tags, this keeps all the pages even. Additionally, most charter routes listed on airport pages are routes that aren’t bookable through the airline directly or are routes that are charters renting the entire plane. Since these 135 airlines pretty much operate as standard airlines, despite the charter by seat format, I think they should be left alone. Especially since regular readers may be confused and think they are charter by plane routes rather than by seat, but again that’s my thoughts. Reverting for now until we can get a consensus and we can get some thoughts going.

Thanks! (VenFlyer98 (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC))

Hey @VenFlyer98: instead of getting into an edit war over a relatively minor issue, I am going to post on the Aviation Wikiproject to get some more opinions here. If consensus still can't be gained through that, I'll put it out as an RfC. Would appreciate it if you could post your thoughts on the talk page there when you get a chance. nf utvol (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Well guess this is open again since I see you went around tagging JSX and Contour as charters on a bunch of pages. In all your edits, you sited this talk page despite there being no consensus, and said the Contour page says they are a charter. While true, remember WP:NOTSOURCE. Additionally, while again the argument can be made for JSX, your previous arguments can’t be applied to Contour. They operate regularly scheduled flights from passenger terminals, mainly serving EAS routes, and offer connections with American Airlines as a regularly scheduled carrier. It would be like calling Cape Air a charter carrier which isn’t true. Again, I don’t see a consensus and it doesn’t look like the discussion at the WikiProject had one either, it was archived and hasn’t had a post in 4-5 months.

(VenFlyer98 (talk) 09:12, 28 December 2023 (UTC))

EDIT:

Actually re-read the archive and realized I completely forgot that I mentioned I was good with the tags. That’s my bad, been a while since the discussion, haha. I still really wouldn’t call it a consensus, since it doesn’t really sound like we really agreed on it, but forgot I said that so feel free to revert my recent reverts. That’s my bad, sorry for the trouble! (Also tagging Johnj1995 so he’s aware of the reverts) VenFlyer98 (talk) 09:36, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Haha, no worries. I was rather confused when I saw a bunch of notifications that my edits had been reverted. If you want to re-open the WP:AIRPORTS discussion again to see if there are any additional points to be made by anyone that's fine by me, too. nf utvol (talk) 13:00, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah, no worries. We’ll leave it how it is with the tags. Again, sorry for the trouble and have a good New Year’s! VenFlyer98 (talk) 08:52, 29 December 2023 (UTC)