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Why Brotherhood?

Reading this article, I fell one piece of information is missing: the article does not explain why the organization is labeled Brotherhood.

  • Is it, for instance a word reused from the koran?
  • Is it, for instance a word reused from another organization?
  • Or is it a reuse from the English language and occidental organizations structures?

and why? Why not to give this piece of information with reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.67.188.253 (talk) 20:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

some more countries with brotherhood activity

there was no mention of Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kazakhstan, Indonesia, or India. as all these countries have large Sunni Muslim populations it seems vary likely that the Muslim Brotherhood is in those places too. adding more countries to the list of places where the Brotherhood is active and how the governments have responded will give readers a more complete view of how the brotherhood works worldwide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.245.243.173 (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

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My edits

The way the article is written makes it seem that all of the movement still espouses violence. My added edits are an attempt to prove that is not the case. All of the edits are backed by the sources. There is no reason to remove them. The way the article is presently written presents a distorted image of what the Muslim Brotherhood are. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:40, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Because it still does espouse violence. --112.210.36.131 (talk) 21:21, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

It is important to mention historical violence, and modern groups that espouse violence, however it is important to make distinctions between various groups i.e. Egypt's muslim brotherhood and Syria's so not as to blanket the entire organisation and cuase Wikipedia's neutrality or accuracy to come into question 70.69.172.92 (talk) 10:26, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Pardon, the MB still practices violence against Egypt's religious minorities. All denials aside, this article whitewashes its ongoing record of violence, arson, rape and murder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.137.35.130 (talk) 09:32, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

According to wikipedia Muslim Brotherhood is terrorist organisation for simple reason - it "uses intentionally indiscriminate violence (terror) in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim" //source// (actually all of them). Therefore I postulate to write it in article as the word says exactly what kind of organisation they are. John 92.20.182.60 (talk) 00:57, 11 November 2016 (UTC).

Using/Not Using FrontPageMag as a reference

Hello,

There are several statements in the article which are not factual and rely on non-factual sources (such as www.combatveteransforcongress.com), but I find one significant source of a lot of these is www.frontpagemag.com. The site's articles mainly consist of self-links to other articles on the site and rarely back up their claims with sources. A significant one is that the US government funneled arms from Qatar to Libyan jihadists and that somehow this is related to the Muslim Brotherhood. The claim is of course not proven on FrontPageMag by any verifiable source.

I am removing such references and the claims made to them now. If anyone has any opposition I welcome discussion about it. Mavriksfan11 (talk) 05:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

FrontPageMag isn't a reliable source.VR talk

Pakistan

There's no evidence that Jamaat e Islami (Pakistan) is a franchise of the Muslim Brotherhood. The two have influenced each other, they may be allied with each other, they may even have links to each other, but they are not the same thing.VR talk 22:17, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Can someone provide evidence that Hizb-i Islami is a franchise of the Brotherhood? The source "The Columbia World Dictionary of Islamism" merely says that the two are ideologically similar. It doesn't even mention any material support between the two.VR talk 22:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

The source "Modern Afghanistan: A History of Struggle and Survival" says even little about connection between Muslim Brotherhood and "Hizb-i Islami". It says, on page 165 (which the page that is currently cited), that Afghan theologians who had studied at Al-Azhar had been influenced by the teachings of the Muslim Brotherhood and came back and made "informal groups to discuss Islam's role in the country", and from these groups came out Jamiat-i Islami. It is clear that MB only inspired these groups, but that these groups aren't branches of the Egyptian MB.VR talk 22:40, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Golden article with well-written content

It doesn't have the pro-Brotherhood propaganda and whitewashing of its actions that many other WP pages, especially Egypt-related ones, have. That's why this article is more likely to get GA status. Zakawer (talk) 12:30, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Massacre vs dispersal

Zakawer changed the text of the link to August 2013 Rabaa massacre to read "sit-in dispersal". A quick search indicates that "massacre" is the term commonly used by international press (Washington Post, The Guardian, Al Jazeera). Even searching for "sit-in dispersal" brings up articles whose headlines call it "massacre", while the former term seems to be used almost exclusively by Egyptian press. This brings the change is conflict with NPOV per WP:UNDUE. I'll also make this point in response to Zakawer's proposed move at August 2013 Rabaa massacre. Eperoton (talk) 02:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

The previous phrasing reflects the Brotherhood's crappy agenda. The lamestream media (especially the liberal-aligned outlets) is relying too much on the Brotherhood's bullshit, and is regurgitating it without knowing it. Therefore, I changed it to a more NPOV (and less pro-Brotherhood) version. Just because the lamestream media calls it a "massacre" doesn't mean that's the term Wikipedia should use. I want to reinstate my edit, Eperoton. But first, we will need to come to a compromise. Zakawer (talk) 10:26, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, and my edit also alters the caption to clarify when the picture was taken (which was already in the file's title). Zakawer (talk) 10:28, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
I have no problem with noting when the picture was taken. Please feel free to reinsert that information. I do have a problem with your terminology, for reasons explained above. Specifically, as you can see by reading WP:NPOV, this policy has nothing to do with what you or I may think about mainstream media. Per WP:SOURCES, mainstream newspapers qualify as RSs, and if you'd like to convince others here that we should give Egyptian media more weight than international media, you have your work cut out for you. Your willingness to seek consensus is appreciated, but note that WP:CONSENSUS is about addressing "all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines" (emphasis mine). If you think that you have a policy-based argument for your proposal, please spell it out, and we can continue this discussion. Eperoton (talk) 14:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Suffering vs. Subject to

In the opening paragraphs, the article reads: "However, it suffered from periodic government crackdowns for alleged terrorist activities, and as of 2015 is considered a terrorist organization by the governments of Bahrain,[1][2] Egypt, Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates."

Suffering strongly implies the position of victim, typically used to describe or explain those unfairly or unnecessarily accused or prosecuted. Can we not state the Muslim Brotherhood is subject to periodic government crackdowns...? I don't believe there is evidence to support the Muslim Brotherhood is the victim of undue attention for their actions, past and present.

 Done. I changed it to "it faced periodic...". Thanks for raising it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Bahrain News Agency - Bahrain backs Saudi Arabia, UAE, Foreign Minister says". Retrieved 3 November 2014.
  2. ^ Anadolu Ajansı (c) 2011. "Bahrain FM reiterates stance on Muslim Brotherhood". Retrieved 3 November 2014.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

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"Motives"

The section contains important information and statements about the critics of the Muslim Brotherhood, but very few of the entries have to do with the "motives" (despite the title of that subsection being called "Motives".

They're mostly condemnations of the group's history of violence. One is an Arab Prince saying they are the cause of all problems in the Arab world (which is an important criticism, but devoid of any connection to their motives...).

What should be done about it? Anyone care to edit and maintain it?

Mavriksfan11 (talk) 15:30, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Cleaning Up

This page really needs to be cleaned up. It has enormous paragraphs everywhere, very little coherence (very little of what's written in any section is relevant to the section heading), lots of links to print sources which don't say what it is said they say (one example goes "In 1997, Muslim Brotherhood Supreme Guide Mustafa Mashhur told journalist Khalid Daoud..." but the print book source it lists doesn't have any mention of "Mashhur" anywhere and he doesn't seem to be in any news articles anywhere).

Is anyone willing to help me with this? Or wishes to propose a better structure for the page than it has now? I personally don't think we need sections titled "In Egypt", "In the Middle East", "Elsewhere in Africa", "Other States", and "Foreign Relations".

I'm also alarmed at the amount of uncited statements. For example, under "Elsewhere in Africa" and then under "Maldives": 'The Adhaalath Party was founded in 2005. They have 1 seat in the Maldivian Parliament. They have been alleged to have participated in a coup that toppled president Mohamed Nasheed.' No citation, nothing even claiming this to be related to the Muslim Brotherhood...

If people want to take a task here are some which need to be done:

  1. Cleaning up larger paragraphs and breaking them up into readable divided sections.
  2. Ensuring that sections and subsections maintain coherence
  3. Better organizing of the group's "Foreign Relations" and International Activities sections.
  4. Adding sections which can act as catch-all for information which is scattered throughout the page (like "Affiliated Members" or "Affiliated Parties")
  5. Adding "Citation Needed" tags
  6. Verifying sources (lots of print sources here, unfortunately...)

Please feel free to add more... Mavriksfan11 (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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Alleged Muslim Brotherhood-Nazi Germany links

The lead of the page contains the claim that 'In its early years, the Brotherhood was financed and supported by Nazi Germany'. The sources for this claim are clearly biased, questionable and do not provide other evidence other than their unsupported claims in their books. The first reference is a book called Understanding the Volatile and Dangerous Middle East: A Comprehensive Analysis which can only be described as an anti-Arab and Muslim screed. The second reference is a book called The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin Al-Husseini which is a similar book spouting the same unfounded claims. The third reference is a statement made by the former grand Mufti of Egypt who supported the military coup against the MB government back in 2013 and has a history of making outlandish and unfounded remarks in support of the ruling regime in Egypt. Finally, the WSJ book review provides no evidence of Nazi Germany financing and supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. As such, it is not appropriate to make such contentious claims about an organisation using clearly biased and questionable sources in the lead of the article. If the claim is to be made, then it should at the very most be a side-note and not a central part. Faaraax (talk) 09:03, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

And WND Books, publisher of The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin Al-Husseini, is among the crappiest sources one can use. The first book is self-published, likewise an unreliable source. nableezy - 00:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
All of those sources are crap. Much better is David Motadel, Islam and Nazi Germany's War, which documents some pre-war financial support not noteworthy enough for the lead. Zerotalk 03:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Read the new talk page banner carefully

This page is reasonably construed to be part of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Special rules apply to these articles. Violations can result in blocks and topic bans. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni:, I really think that is an overreaction. The Brotherhood is largely an internal Egyptian topic. Likud, Ba'ath Party (Syria), and other political parties and or social groups in the region are not covered by the topic area. There are parts that certainly are covered, including perhaps a bit of what was edit-warred over. But I really think you should reconsider this. The Brotherhood is emphatically not so intertwined with the Arab-Israeli topic area that it should as a whole be considered a part of the topic area. nableezy - 06:53, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
@Nableezy: they were crucial in the founding of Hamas and the article goes into some depth about the history of their views on Israel. We also just saw a multi-day edit war here between a non-extended confirmed account and an editor who tends to edit topics related to Israel. I think the being crucial to the founding of Hamas bit puts them pretty clearly inside the sanctions, but if another admin like NeilN or GoldenRing disagrees with me, I’m willing to reconsider. TonyBallioni (talk) 10:46, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with this. GoldenRing (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the parts about Hamas belongs under the 1RR. The parts about Zionism belong under the 1RR. But the Brotherhood is an Egyptian political party and social movement that goes back to the 20s. Hassan al-Banna has nothing to do with Israel, their charities in Egypt have nothing to do with Israel, their views on Islam have nothing to do with Israel. Really, Likud is not covered by the discretionary sanctions but an Egyptian group is? nableezy - 17:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
But for the record, crucial to the founding of Hamas is not quite accurate. Hamas is an offshoot, grown out of Brotherhood related charities in the Palestinian territories. The Egyptian Brotherhood did not found Hamas however, and if you really go in to the history of it Israel has a more direct hand in the founding of Hamas than the Brotherhood did. All that is besides the point however. The vast majority of this article has nothing to do with Hamas, and as you bring up the edit-war, recognize what your restrictions do. They give the upper hand to the editor who was putting in straight up lies in to an encyclopedia article, and restricts the editor who was editing material that has nothing to do with Israel. nableezy - 17:36, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The general restrictions apply to pages, not content within pages. While the political party is certainly more than just the Arab-Israeli dispute, I think this is reasonably construed to be subject to the restrictions. I’ve been trying to get rid of these sanctions that had been overbroadly applied recently, so I don’t do this as a knee jerk thing without thinking about it. If you think someone has breached the behavioral standards in this area and that discrectionary sanctions are needed, WP:AE is the place to go. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Well thats new, the old restrictions always read "articles or whose edited parts can be reasonably construed ...". Is there a process for appealing the inclusion of a page in this topic area? I am normally inclined to have pages included in the restrictions, but the extended-confirmed requirement here is, in my view, both uncalled for and specifically damaging to this article. There is one editor here who has been going through the article and verifying that it actually says what the sources say. And one user here who was inserting bs while lying about the sources. The wrong user is now restricted from editing this article. That strikes me as wrong, to put it lightly. nableezy - 18:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The exact text from the committee’s remedies is Each editor is limited to one revert per page per 24 hours on any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict and All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
Also, this article is about the Brotherhood as a whole and covers its relations with the broader Middle East, not simply their role in Egypt (which is covered in Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. I’m significantly less inclined to lift the protection because of that.
Probably the best place to appeal would be WP:AE. I personally don’t see how a group that some countries consider a terrorist organization that helped found Hamas, was involved in the various wars in some capacity, and where the article discusses the stance it took in relationship to Israel as late as 2012 could possibly be outside the restrictions, but I’m always open to review.
Re: your question about Likud, if you think it qualifies and that protection would be beneficial, I’d encourage you to make a request at WP:RFPP. I’m pretty down the line neutral in this area, so I’m willing to consider any reasonable request for protection. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Im not questioning your neutrality at all Tony. I understand why you are putting this protection, I see the same things in the article as you. However I still maintain that material is a tiny proportion of this topic. Yes this covers more than Egypt, but it is largely focused on the history of the Brotherhood, and that is a largely Egyptian topic. nableezy - 19:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit war

To begin with, יניב_הורון, the material you are edit-warring over and claiming is "sourced", despite at other instances claiming ONUS requires consensus, is not sourced. This, the reference for right-wing, does not support far-right. The "anti-semitic thinker of Islamic supremacism" line on Qutb was added without a source here, and the source for the sentence, this, does not once say anything close to that. It in fact doesnt contain the phrase semitic or supremacism. This is not a reliable source, the paragraph sourced to this is a WP:COPYVIO as a word-for-word copy of a translation. Can you see the NY Review of Books piece? Can you tell me what in it supports and the seeming impunity given to Islamist radical attacks on Christians and other minorities? Normally Id say both of you are edit-warring and both of you should stop, but you are repeatedly putting in unreferenced crap into an encyclopedia article and claiming that it is sourced. That is, to be blunt, a lie. There is no source for much of what you are inserting in here. And beyond that, the stench of the hypocrisy in reverting per ONUS here, and here, and here while simultaneously violating that requirement here is really just too much to silently watch. nableezy - 00:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Found a copy of the NYRB article, it comes close to but doesnt quiet support what was in the article. The rest of it was either outright fabrications or plagiarism. So, since you said that the material you restored was sourced content and then demanded that others read the damn sources, despite twice having specific issues brought up in the edit summaries, before again reverting this time without comment, could you give an honest answer to the demands you gave to others? Did you read the damn sources? nableezy - 05:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try to find new sources before reinserting the material.--יניב הורון (Yaniv) (talk) 04:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Can you answer if you read the sources you demanded others to read, and if you did what in them supported "far-right" or "anti-semitic and Islamic supremacism"? nableezy - 06:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
This is a primary source. Its use is not forbidden as long as it is done with caution and potentially controversial material doesn't cite it. I therefore restored the material with two additional sources. I also restored this, which was already well sourced. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:49, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Terrorist organization designation by Canada

The section Designation as a terrorist organization lists Canada as having recognized the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization in 2014. However, beyond the source cited [1] I can find no other source verifying this. Additionally, the Canadian Public Safety list of terrorist organizations [2] does not include the Muslim Brotherhood. Johnbensnyder (talk) 17:10, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

You're right (now removed [1]). That was a weak source to begin with. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 17:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.albayan.ae/one-world/arabs/2014-04-05-1.2095167
  2. ^ https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/index-en.aspx

Protected edit request

In the "Other states" section, under the heading "United States," the final sentence of the first paragraph reads:

" In addition, according to An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America, the "Understanding of the Role of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America", and a relatively benign [my emphasis] goal of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America is identified as the following:"

Relative to what? Benign by whose standards? I believe this phrase to be inconsistent with WP: POV. Would someone please straighten out this sentence?TheCensorFencer (talk) 23:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Adding Citation

Hello! Just a lowly citation-needed hunter here, doing my bit. In section 6.3 there is this: "Egypt welcomed the decision.[citation needed]" I've found this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/01/muslim-brotherhood-uk-investigation-egypt-reaction. I suggest changing the wording to "Egypt's foreign ministry welcomed the decision." to support the statement but to be more specific. I'd change it myself but as the page is protected, if an editor feels this is an improvement, please make the change for me. Thank you, and as I am an utter newbie here, keep in mind any mistakes/awkwardness is a product of ignorance, not malice.Cthulos (talk) 16:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Do we need two articles?

Currently, we have this article and then the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt article. There is no evidence that these are two seperate entities. Basically, there is the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and then a variety of different organisations abroad which are inspired by it and in some ways look to the Egyptian leadership for inspiration. There is no formal "International Muslim Brotherhood" struture as such, as if there was a kind of MB Comintern. Ishbiliyya (talk) 02:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't quite understand the concern. I'm not intimately familiar with this subject, but the two article seem to have a reasonable relationship. Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt is a spin-out of one section from this article here. The Egyptian branch is very important for the general subject, so I don't know if we would want to compress that section further. However, the main article seems too long to merge here. What do you propose? Eperoton (talk) 02:18, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2019

Israel also regards the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organisation but is not mentioned in the introduction. 86.179.31.180 (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 May 2019

You can add Libya to the list of countries which designated this organization as a terrorist group. source 39.118.52.130 (talk) 12:53, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 05:16, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this article sufficiently nuances?

I really don't know. I don't know enough about the subject or the literature, and only edited here because I know there is no single Libyan government that we could use to say that Libya has done anything. We use this recent source: [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/30/world/middleeast/is-the-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist.html "Is the Muslim Brotherhood a Terrorist Group?" not for its coverage of the subject but for a fact, and I'm wondering if it is useful in any other way. Doug Weller talk 16:21, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 June 2019

I would like to contest the claim that the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) is regarded as a terrorist organisation by Libya and have it removed from the article. The internationally-recognized government of Libya does not regard it as a terrorist organisation even though the parliament based outside the capital and opposed to the government passed a law to that effect. The head of the Libyan upper house the High Council of State is a former MB member [1]. Hence, the claim of Libya considering it a terrorist organisation is inaccurate and should be removed. Faaraax (talk) 15:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted it. Someone might want to replace it with something that makes it clear there is no such thing as "a" Libyan government if they think it worth it. Doug Weller talk 16:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I should ping User:Newslinger Doug Weller talk 16:04, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
​Thanks for the correction. I've read the High Council of State (Libya) and House of Representatives (Libya) articles, and I'll be more careful in this area in the future. — Newslinger talk 23:21, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@Faaraax and Doug Weller: I've also removed the entry from the "Designation as a terrorist organization" section and replaced it with this text:

Libya's Tobruk-based House of Representatives also designated the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist group on May 14, 2019.[2]

This is excluded from the lead section. Please let me know if this is acceptable. ​​— Newslinger talk 02:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Khalid Al-Mishri elected to replace Al-Swahili as Head of Libya High Council of State | The Libya Observer". www.libyaobserver.ly.
  2. ^ Ali, Walaa (14 May 2019). "Libyan parl't votes to ban Muslim Brotherhood, designates it 'terrorist group'". Egypt Today. Retrieved 2019-05-20.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 October 2019

Two typo error corrections to this article: (1) Location: 2nd paragraph, 3rd sentence; Error: "The movement self-stated aim..."; Correction: add 's to 'movement' to make "The movement's self-stated aim..." (2) Location: 3rd paragraph, 2nd sentence; Error: "For many years remained a fringe..."; Correction: add the word 'it' after 'years' to make "For many years it remained a fringe..." Goman1 (talk) 00:08, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 February 2020

I found sources supporting the following content in section Libya, chapter Elsewhere in Africa. Therefore, the template {{citation needed}} should be removed. Sallabi, the Head of Homeland Party, has close ties to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the spiritual leader of the international Muslim Brotherhood.[9][citation needed] The sources are [1] [2] `oooCJ (talk) 07:35, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ [theportal-center.com/2019/10/sallabi-and-qaradawi-two-sides-of-the-same-terrorism-coin/ "Sallabi and Qaradawi: Two sides of the same terrorism coin"]. THE PORTAL. Retrieved 12 February 2020. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help)
  2. ^ Libya Electoral, Political Parties Laws and Regulations Handbook. IBP, Inc. p. 48. ISBN 9781514517239. Retrieved 12 February 2020.
 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2020

You can add to the section, Foreign relations: Designation as a terrorist organization, Tajikstan in 2006. source 125.133.234.31 (talk) 16:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. HeartGlow (talk) 01:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Ties in origin with Germany's Nazi party

I see only one bit of reference material to the Nazi party on this page, with no active hyperlink to read further. No mention is made in the "Founding" section to the groups ties with Hitler during that early growth period, where the group grew by two hundred thousand members from less than nine hundred within two years.

I'm no scholar on the matter, but I thought it was fairly common knowledge among those well studied in Nazi Germany & WWII that the Muslim Brotherhood was aided by Hitler and the Nazi party. The primary motivation for this partnership was the mutual hatred of Jewish people. If I'm also correct. this led to the the creation of several Muslim Brother troops being put in Nazi SS uniforms to fight in WWII. One of the regiments was the Waffen-SS Handschar Division, to my limited knowledge.

Can anyone intelligent on the matter please add clarity or tell me the error of my ways here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muisopmys (talk • contribs) 23:02, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Expand on July 2020 Jordan Court of Cessation Ruling

Hello all. Not sure if I'm doing this correctly, but suggest we change the last contribution under JORDAN from "In 2020, a Jordanian Court of Cassation decided that the local branch of the Muslim Brotherhood will be dissolved.[179]" to:

"On 15 July 2020, the Jordanian Court of Cassation effectively dissolved the country's Muslim Brotherhood chapter, subsequently banning all relevant activities.[179] The court's decision was based on the group failing to adapt to a 2014 law restricting religious group political activity.[1] [2] Jordanian MB spokesman Moaz al-Khalidi stated following the decision, "We requested a special-status rule for the group to be approved by the government but the decision makers rejected the request." [3]

The reference numbers obviously do not reflect accurately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whcarver (talk • contribs) 19:05, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.jo24.net/post.php?id=65055
  2. ^ http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/374642/World/Region/Jordan-top-court-dissolves-countrys-Muslim-Brother.aspx
  3. ^ https://www.france24.com/ar/20200716-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%AF%D9%86%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%B1-%D8%AD%D9%84-%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%B3%D8%A8%D8%A8-%D8%B9%D8%AF%D9%85-%D9%82%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%85%D9%87%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D8%AA%D8%B5%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A8-%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%B6%D8%A7%D8%B9%D9%87%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 August 2020

Second paragraph in category strategy and organization should read: "The Muslim Brotherhood is a transnational organization as opposed TO a political party" Durdyfiv1 (talk) 02:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)Durdyfiv1

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 09:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

Mekameleen TV to Mekameleen TV Soul997 (talk) 15:16, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

To editor Soul997:  done, and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 16:24, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

I've got a source for "Mekameleen supports the brotherhood" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39670873 Soul997 (talk) 18:30, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

To editor Soul997:  done, and thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 02:00, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 August 2020

In section, Foreign relations, Designation as a terrorist organization, you should add Tajikistan, which banned the organization by a ruling of the Supreme Court in 2006. source. 184.22.161.107 (talk) 08:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done, and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 16:04, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2020

The Muslim Brotherhood in Tunsia was founded by Rached Ghannouchi according to https://www.counterextremism.com/content/muslim-brotherhood-tunisia Skrillmast3r (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:03, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 November 2020

You can add to Europe section: Austria:

In November 2020, Austrian police raided dozens of homes of people and associations which were suspected of "belonging to and supporting the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas organizations."

As a result of a year-long terrorism probe, the prosecutors mentioned that: "the Muslim Brotherhood is a globally active, radical Islamist, extremely anti-Semitic organization", they also added that they try to "set up an Islamic state on the basis of Islamic law in all countries on Earth" has close ties with "terrorist organizations" such as Hamas. source 211.219.40.42 (talk) 05:12, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Per WP:UNDUE and WP:BLPCRIME. This is an ordinary criminal investigation and mere arrests do not mean that there is any criminal activity or that there is any actual connection to these organizations. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

"Post World War II":

"However, after the revolution Gamal Abdel Nasser, the leader of the 'free officers' cell, after deposing the first President of Egypt, Muhammad Neguib, in a coup, quickly moved against the Brotherhood, blaming them for an attempt on his life."

this is a terrible, terrible sentence, and i cannot tell what it means. perhaps someone who knows what the writer is trying to say can clean it up and possibly divide it into more than one sentence. it is not helpful because it is hardly comprehensible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:8A07:5D00:B0F8:5BDB:9692:1C3C (talk) 15:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Rubbish !, there is nothing wrong with this sentence, it simply needs a citation proving that Abdel Nasser said the the Moslem Brotherhood had made an attempt on his life. 09:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)09:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)09:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)09:06, 7 April 2021 (UTC)~~

Austria

Hello. I can't edit the article. That's just to point out that Austria has also classified MB as terrorist: Austria's anti-terror law targets Muslim Brotherhood, even if it is indirect. MilkyWikiWay (talk) 06:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 July 2021

Austria designated them as a terrorist organization. source 175.195.145.118 (talk) 19:50, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2021

In the logo section of the political party infobox for the Muslim Brotherhood, switch [File:Muslim Brotherhood Logo.png] to [File:Emblem of the Muslim Brotherhood.png] as it is a depiction based exactly on the current logo of the Muslim Brotherhood as shown in [2] Jasper Chu (talk) 04:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:57, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I did in the link shown as “[1]” Jasper Chu (talk) 00:35, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

The Elephant in the Room: The Question of Terrorism and Violence against the Other

That this question is excluded denudes this entry of any credibility. It is as if it is written by the MB's handlers in the USG. Sorry, but this organization's issues with Egypt's religious minorities are not simply related to their views on their status. Its history and presence includes extensive acts of violence against Copts and other non Muslim Egyptians. Its record in Syria is similar as well. Pardon, this is a propaganda piece, it is not acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.8 (talk) 15:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 June 2022

Produda (talk) 03:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

The Muslim brotherhood has far-right factions in it

It’s far-right Produda (talk) 03:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 03:55, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 August 2022

Kindly add the SVG logo: Xi Knight (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done @Xi Knight LisafBia6531 (talk) 12:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
@LisafBia6531 Thank you so much :) Xi Knight (talk) 12:48, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Edit request, August 8, 2022

Section "Founding": Clarify that the prime minister assassinated by an alleged Brotherhood member was Ahmad Mahir Pasha. This should be a minor edit, as follows:

`including the assassination of a Prime Minister by a young Brotherhood member`: change to `including the assassination of Prime Minister Ahmad Mahir Pasha by a young Brotherhood member`

RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 06:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —Sirdog (talk) 05:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

This Link Might Help Wikipedia Readers Better Understand Why This Article Is So Controversial in 2022

https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/05/03/nine-reasons-why-declaring-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-organization-would-be-mistake-pub-79059Danshawen (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2022 (UTC)danshawen

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 November 2022

Remove the Mohamed Atta category. Mucube (talk) 02:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:23, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Austria

Please add Austria as a country that assigned Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajwadsabano (talk • contribs) 11:24, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

As of 2022

They are one of the sect that is not on Haqq (truth). They are considered to be one of the branch of Khawarij's created by the enemies of Allah & His religion. Check the view of Sheikh Fawzaan & the scholars of Sunnah regarding this Baatil (*false) group or Firqah (sect) 43.231.29.173 (talk) 03:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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Restructuring

I would suggest to restructure the article, turning the "In Egypt" section into a "History" section which mostly focus on its history in Egypt while also briefly mentioning the most important branches that eventually developed in other countries. These branches can be described in more detail in another section called "Branches outside of Egypt". "Beliefs" and "Strategy and organization" are moved down below the "Branches" section. LeGabrie (talk) 16:56, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Spelling

Change jamaat Al Muslimeen to gamaat Al Muslimeen (Egyptian pronounciation) 2600:4040:7B97:6700:28CF:7D09:9ABA:3427 (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: that's not how it's referred to in reliable sources. M.Bitton (talk) 22:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 April 2023

Include the event where 54 Muslim Brotherhood leaders were imprisoned in November 1955 by the Egyptian military court.The military court also ordered the Muslim Brotherhood Cairo headquarters to close shortly after.[1]Ashg1177 (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC) Ashg1177 (talk) 02:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lizthegrey (talk) 01:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

charged language

Under /entry into politics/, it states: "The official weekly of the Brotherhood, al-Nadhir, published a series of articles titled "The Danger of Jews", warning of Jewish plots against Islam like Freemasonry or Marxism." I don't think this was deliberately malicious, but it seems to imply Freemasonry and Marxism are Jewish anti-Islam plots. Can someone restructure the wording? Maybe just throw in an "alleged" in there to make sure there's no confusion? Brassmonkey3212 (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Brassmonkey3212: Yup, could have phrased that better. Will add "alleged". LeGabrie (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

related Signpost article

See related Signpost article: Tentacles of Emirates plot attempt to ensnare Wikipedia WP:Wikipedia_Signpost/2023-07-17/In_the_media and how the Swiss private intelligence company Alp Services by Mario Brero has been contracted by the UAE government to spy on citizens of 18 countries in Europe and beyond. Alp Services has sent to the UAE intelligence services the names of more than 1000 individuals and 400 organizations in 18 European countries, labelling them as part of the Muslim Brotherhood network in Europe. Wuerzele (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  1. ^ Sunday Sun Newspaper. (November 5, 1995). Egypt Sentences 54 Top Islamic Activist
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