Talk:Mourvèdre

monastrell

Monastrell is the same grape as Mourvedre. Based on a public post by Carole Meredith, the (now retired)leader in DNA fingerprinting of grapes:

"Monastrell, Mourvedre and Mataro are all synonyms for the same variety. They are not the same as Graciano. 

Te Wickipedia article in the link above refers to "DNA fingerprinting" but it doesn't say anything about UC Davis. Lots of labs in lots of countries now do DNA profiling of grape varieties. It's not just a Davis thing.

I just looked through a 2002 paper from a research group in Madrid in which they generated and compared DNA profiles for close to 100 Spanish varieties, including Monastrell and Graciano. This work confirms that they are not the same variety.

But all old wine growing countries have multiple local names for traditional varieties, and all wine growing countries, both old and new, have some misidentified vineyards. So there is probably a Monastrell vineyard somewhere that is called Graciano or vice versa.

To further confuse things, there is a third variety called Moristell that is different than Monastrell and Graciano. And yet another variety grown in France under the name of Morrastel was once thought to be the same as the Spanish Graciano but in fact is not." Veniceslug1 (talk) 14:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Where does the Italian grape Monica fit in? I thought it was another name for Mouvedre, but it wasn't listed...71.180.29.45 (talk) 21:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Btw, what's with the line "Until recently it was assumed that Spain's Monastrell grape was identical to Mourvèdre, so data on Mourvèdre as opposed to Monastrell is patchy. " Is wiki an encyclopedia or someone's "patchy" notes? I thought DNA fingerprinting has conclusively shown that the Mourvedre and Monastrell grape is indeed the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.204.58 (talk) 07:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Spain

Surely this grape can't be "Spain's second-most important red wine grape after Garnacha" - where does Tempranillo fit in? -- Blorg 23:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

It probably means by volume. Ugni blanc may be France's most important grape technically but that doesnt mean you find it labelled that way much. It is worth checking though and citing sources - these things do change quite often too. I dont have up to date sources for Spain. Justinc 00:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

This comes from Robinson's Oxford Companion, in fact the first sentence of the definition is "Spain's second most important black grape variety after Garnacha (Grenache) and once Provence's most important vine". It looks like a pretty complete lift from the Companion, which also states for Spain that of 1,400,000ha planted, 170,000ha are garnacha, 100,000ha each of mourvèdre and bobal, and 33,000ha of tempranillo (much smaller than I would have thought). Airén, the white used for brandy, occupies "a least twice as much land as any other variety". Looks like both a copyright problem, as well as a subjective interpretation of what is "important". Walter Moar 03:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite

I've cleaned it up, it needs some photos and more information about what's happening in the different areas. FlagSteward 14:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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How much confirmation has been made about this article's asserted genetic difference between Monastrell and Mourvedre? Any articles discussing this would be great to look over. Jordan.lari 21:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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