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Judi

The article says it is "located in Kurdistan"; however it is not a part of Iraqi Kurdistan but lands of Turkish Republic. So that should be corrected.--hnnvansier (talk) 19:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The location of "Mount Judi" is not absolutely certain, but it is certainly located in Kurdistan, on either side of the Turkish-Syrian-Iraqi tripoint. Mount Judi is in fact named for being located in Qardu, i.e. Kurdistan. --dab (𒁳) 15:25, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

iw

since it's locked, can somebody please add iw to croatian wiki hr:Ararat (planina), tnx --78.1.137.162 (talk) 20:44, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Armenian Plato?

There isn't such a name in Turkish Geography Literature. Since this mountain is situated in Turkey, this expression need to be removed.Cenkdemir (talk) 17:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

The names used in the English-language Wikipedia for geographical features are not based on the geographic literature of the country in which the article's subject is located, but in our policy on article titles and our naming conventions for geographic names. - Best, Ev (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 65.119.25.226, 25 April 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Location: In the first sentence, please replace “Georgia” with “Armenia” because the Mountain is located near the border with Iran and Armenia, not Georgia.

65.119.25.226 (talk) 00:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.--ℳøℕø 00:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 Done (diff). As charming as the location given by the Turkish Ministry of Culture & Tourism is ("near the border with Iran and Georgia, between..."), the article should read "Iran and Armenia". A quick look at any map of the region (including the one illustrating this very article) & Britannica’s entry on Mount Ararat should suffice as reliable sources. — Thank you for mentioning this detail, 65.119.25.226. - Best, Ev (talk) 15:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Ev. It feels good to have people like yourself who place facts, fairness and the truth above everything else and are willing to make a stand to preserve these all important virtues.

Sam 65.119.25.226 (talk) 08:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

EDIT REQUEST:

Turkish name of it should be written before the Armenian one, since it's in Turkey. Like this, Mount Ararat (Turkish: Ağrı Dağı; Armenian: Մասիս, Արարատ ... Otherwise show me another example like this, make me believe it's not about "Turkey". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.254.186.122 (talk) 19:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

bible ?

"The Bible says that Noah's ark landed on the mountains of Ararat. This does not refer to any specific mountain or peak, but rather a mountain range within the region of Ararat, which was the name of an ancient proto-Armenian kingdom also known as Urartu."

have you ever know that quran is much more older than the bible ? and the bible is only "human creation " ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.82.94.84 (talk) 05:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Self-published sources

This article makes frequent citations to self-published sources, such as:

  • www.araratsunrises.com
  • noahsarksearch.com
  • www.mountainararat.com
  • www.touchthetop.com

I would suspect that many of these citations would fall afoul of WP:SELFPUB. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 09:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 151.151.109.14, 12 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Change location of Mount Ararat from Turkey to Armenia.

151.151.109.14 (talk) 17:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Why? Has it been moved? Dougweller (talk) 17:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. sonia♫♪ 01:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Change location of Mount Ararat from Turkey to Armenia. It can be easily verified through other articles, or the coordinates of the summit of Mount Ararat that it is indeed in Armenia.

Lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.235.131.65 (talk) 21:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Jaime Viñals in Mount Ararat and Mount Teide

Between June and July 2008, the Guatemalan climber Jaime Viñals in a special issue "bonded" Mount Ararat with the Mount Teide (Spain), in an ascent to each of these two peaks in a span of less than a month. Conquering the first summit of Ararat on June 24 and immediately after coming to Tenerife to climb Mount Teide crowning on 8 July. With the conquest of these summits, peaks was 21 achieved the international list of "50 most prominent summits in the world".[1][2]--88.24.7.249 (talk) 12:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested fix

Please change the caption of the top right picture according to its description on the image page, thanks. --Elitre (talk) 18:06, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Hector99991, 14 August 2011

Location is in ARMENIA. I will report if not changed.


Hector99991 (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I am not a fan of Encyclopedia Britannica but this should still be good enough: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/32131/Mount-Ararat Viewfinder (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Note: Cleaned up the answered requests. Left the above source to clarify any further requests on change of location. International borders in the area are not disputed (as signed in the Treaty of Lausanne) and the SUMMIT of the mountain lies in the borders of the Turkish Republic. The whole of the mountain lies within Turkey. The border follows the course of the bottom of the valley to the north east. Viewfinder (talk) 12:09 am, Today (UTC+1) 06:31, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Hector99991, 16 August 2011

Change location from Turkey to Armenia please. 

Sorry and thanks

Hector99991 (talk) 13:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 19:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)


What the hell the name of the mountain is called ARARAT? Is this the side of wiki's objective part?! That mountain belongs to Turkey and I think the right give a name that mountain belongsss to Turkey!!! Not, Armenia.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.27.71.3 (talk) 02:46, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

We have chosen the name that is more common in English language. That's how WP works. --vacio 16:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I would like to ask to authors: Thy do you mention word Protoarmenians about Urartian people? It is well known that they even did not speak a language relative to Armenian. They spoke on agglutinative language probable of Hurro-Urartian family and later was replaced by early form of Armenian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.118.217.150 (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


It would be very informative to have dates There is uncertainty to just how Armenian the Proto-Armenian Urartian culture was....but for how many thousands of years was Ararat a largely Armenian region before there was ever even one single Turk anywhere near the place? I think that this sort of information would be extremely useful.Izmirlig (talk)

Ağrı Dağı

The name of the mount is Ağrı, not Ararat. It is located in Turkey. So you need to use the Turkish word Ağrı as the main name. Then, you can use Armanian name in parenthesis. Such political games are really nasty and cheap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasemin83 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." - from WP:COMMONNAME --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 02:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Compass direction

There are many views, several showing both peaks, but none gives the compass direction.

One of the images, preferably an overhead or 3-D view, should be used to explain which is the "eastern flank of Lesser Ararat" that was transferred from Iran to Turkey in 1932. Perhaps this can be done in the image caption, perhaps not. --P64 (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Our Kura River watershed map may be useful. Are the two peaks separately visible here, with the lesser one behind the greater from the perspective of Igdir city?
Possibly the international border was moved from the top of the lesser peak down to the river that we see skirting it in the 3-D view.
I guess the "tripoints" of section 6 both lie outside all of the images in this article.
--P64 (talk) 20:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Ağrı Dağı

The name of the mount is Ağrı, not Ararat. It is located in Turkey. So you need to use the Turkish word Ağrı as the main name. Then, you can use Armanian name in parenthesis. Such political games are really nasty and cheap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasemin83 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

"Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." - from WP:COMMONNAME --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me 02:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Compass direction

There are many views, several showing both peaks, but none gives the compass direction.

One of the images, preferably an overhead or 3-D view, should be used to explain which is the "eastern flank of Lesser Ararat" that was transferred from Iran to Turkey in 1932. Perhaps this can be done in the image caption, perhaps not. --P64 (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Our Kura River watershed map may be useful. Are the two peaks separately visible here, with the lesser one behind the greater from the perspective of Igdir city?
Possibly the international border was moved from the top of the lesser peak down to the river that we see skirting it in the 3-D view.
I guess the "tripoints" of section 6 both lie outside all of the images in this article.
--P64 (talk) 20:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

The Legend of Noah's Ark: Location

Genesis 8:4 refers to what is no doubt the mountain discussed, here, though having various names, depending on what nationality you are. The highest Mt. south of the Caucasus, and west of the Elburz, and so can be considered the highest in Mesopotamia, depending on how one wants to define the latter. The "Great River" of the ancients, the Euphrates, sees some of it's sources coming from the plateau of Ararat. So much as has been said for and against, but it does seems clear that Genesis refers to this mountain, as the plural is used in the Bible, is uses the ancient name "Ararat", and it is the highest in northern Mesopotamia. Quite an edifice of a mountain, the top is now sheathed in many, perhaps 100's, of feet of ice and snow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John G. Lewis (talk • contribs) 02:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

In Iran??

The "Location" diagram shows Mount Ararat clearly in Iran. I don't know much about how the location is specified, so I can't fix it myself. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

It seems that way because you see Turkey's eastern border as a fairly straight line. It's not. Try using your browser's zoom control to enlarge the map.   Mandruss |talk  08:28, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

What is ARARAT ?

Mount is in Turkey.Why english wiki name ARARAT ? Turkish mount = Turkish name Ağrı Mount  !

User:Showalie, as this is the English language Wikipedia we use the title most frequently found in reliable English sources, see WP:COMMONNAME. Dougweller (talk) 10:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Problem with lead & POV

Earlier version:

"Mount Ararat (Turkish: Agri Dagi; Armenian: ?????? or Masis ?????, see below for its other names and etymology) is a snow-capped and dormant compound volcano in Turkey. It consists of two major volcanic cones: Greater Ararat, the highest peak in Turkey and the entire Armenian plateau with an elevation of 5,137 m (16,854 ft); and Lesser Ararat, with an elevation of 3,896 m (12,782 ft).[5] The Ararat massif is about 40 km (25 mi) in diameter. The Iran-Turkey boundary skirts east of Lesser Ararat, the lower peak of the Ararat massif. It was in this area that, by the Tehran Convention of 1932, a border change was made in Turkey's favour, allowing it to occupy the eastern flank of Lesser Ararat.[6]

Mount Ararat in Judeo-Christian tradition is associated with the "Mountains of Ararat" where, according to the Book of Genesis, Noah's Ark came to rest. It also plays a significant role in Armenian culture and nationalism. The mountain can be seen on the coat of arms of Armenia."

Today:

"Mount Ararat (Armenian: ??????; Turkish: Agri Dagi; see below for more) is a snow-capped and dormant compound volcano in the eastern extremity of Turkey. It consists of two major volcanic cones: Greater Ararat, the highest peak in Turkey and the Armenian plateau with an elevation of 5,137 m (16,854 ft); and Lesser Ararat, with an elevation of 3,896 m (12,782 ft).[5] The Ararat massif is about 40 km (25 mi) in diameter. The Iran-Turkey boundary skirts east of Lesser Ararat, the lower peak of the Ararat massif.

The mountain became part of Turkey according to the 1921 Treaty of Kars.[6] By the Tehran Convention of 1932, a border change was made in Turkey's favor, allowing it to occupy the eastern flank of Lesser Ararat.[7]

Mount Ararat is associated with the "mountains of Ararat" in Jewish and Christian traditions. It is where Noah's Ark came to rest according to an interpretation of the Book of Genesis. It is a national symbol of Armenia and is considered a "holy mountain" by Armenians.[8][9] One author described the Armenians as having "a sense of possession of Ararat in the sense of symbolic cultural property."[10] It plays a significant role in Armenian literature and art. Along with Noah's Ark, is depicted on the coat of arms of Armenia."

We don't need when it became part of Turkey in the lead. We don't need that much about Armenia in the 3rd paragraph although some might be replaced with something about territorial claims. To comply with WP:LEAD we need more about the geology and possibly a sentence about it being climbed.

And as it's in Turkey, it's Turkish name obviously should come first. Doug Weller (talk) 19:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

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Question

Where did I read somewhere - a Cold War spy into the USSR was detected because he described Mount Ararat from the Armenian SSR rather than the Turkish 'side'? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Location

It appears the border of two provinces (İlleri), Iğdır and Ağrı, go right through the summit/peak of the mountain, is this correct? Furthermore, It looks like the south slope lies within Doğubayazıt district (ilçe) in Ağrı, but what district covers the north slope of the mountain in Iğdır? Would it perhaps be worth a mention in this article of the exact location, or even just simply that it sits on the border of these two provinces within Turkey? Seems to be that this would at least be worth a mention in the first section "Political borders," since that seems a perfect fit for this kind of information. --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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I'll be glad to review this article for GA status. I'm sorry it's taken so long. I will probably make some minimal changes during the course of the review -- punctuation, spelling, typos, grammar, minor wording, etc. I hope that's OK. If any of these changes are problematic for you, feel free to revert or revise. With luck, I should be finished within 7 days. Thanks to all who have contributed to this article.--Jburlinson (talk) 23:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I've had a bit of a health issue which has set me back a couple of days. Sorry for the delay. Surely by end of week.--Jburlinson (talk) 02:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jburlinson: are you going to review the article? ----Երևանցի talk 19:16, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jburlinson: and @Yerevantsi: It seems that this review is stale and the reviewer has not committed fully. It has been 2 months. Yerevantsi, do you want me to fail this or have myself take up the review? AmericanAir88 (talk) 20:00, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I would greatly welcome you to review the article. ----Երևանցի talk 10:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@Yerevantsi: Will do. Sorry for the delay you had to experience AmericanAir88 (talk) 13:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

New Review

@Yerevantsi:

References and Violations

  • Dead links: Refs 29, 43, 78, 178 are dead.
 Fixed----Երևանցի talk 19:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Dead Notes: Note "j"'s 4 links are all dead.
 Fixed I've replaced the dead links with archived ones.----Երևանցի talk 19:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Copyvios: The 5th bullet in note "c" is completely copy and pasted. (I know its a quote, but the source provided by the note is not the same as the one copy and pasted)
    • From the 4th paragraph of the source, first four lines were copy and pasted.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Weasel Words

See WP:Weasel Words

  • "Despite the scholarly consensus" Who made the consensus?
Well all scholars who have written on the topic agree with it.----Երևանցի talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "it has been widely accepted " according to whom?
According to the sources cited in the article. ----Երևանցի talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "has been considered" Considered by whom?
It literally says "considered a sacred mountain by Armenians"----Երևանցի talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "Armenian historians" who?
    • Changed to "most Armenian historians" for more info, a reader can look up in the references.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • "given by some encyclopedias and reference works." Which ones?
Named some of the notable ones.
  • "Historical records and oral history" who?
Reworded.----Երևանցի talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
  • " Most historians and Bible scholars agree" who?
    • Listed in note "c".--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • "are considered by scholars" Which scholars?
    • Listed in the refs provided, plus there is a citation following that sentence.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

General

  • The second half of the first paragraph in the lead is confusing. Elaborate more and maybe add more sentences to improve clarity.
    • Check again please.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • In the lead, could you put more info on the Middle Ages first ascent attempts
  • "From the 16th century until 1828 Great Ararat's summit and the northern slopes, along with the eastern slopes of Little Ararat were part of Persia, while the range was part of the Ottoman-Persian border." Confusing sentence
 Fixed----Երևանցի talk 08:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "The mountain is known as Ararat in European languages,[21][22] however, none of the native peoples have traditionally referred to the mountain by that name." Why have they not referred to it by that name?
Because each has a native name for it.----Երևանցի talk 08:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
  • "Since at least about 1957, it has been shrinking." Rework the sentence and maybe expand
 Fixed----Երևանցի talk 19:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Do a sweep on "Geological History" for grammar. It doesn't seem to be correct in some areas.
  • "The chronology of Holocene volcanic activity associated with Mount Ararat is poorly documented." Why?
  • The "non-armenian" section needs a ton of work. Its layout is confusing.
    • The layout is fine now.--Cheetah (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Avoid small sentences, they make the prose choppy
  • "Places named" needs more references.
 Doing...----Երևանցի talk 19:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Unreferenced stuff is taken out.--Cheetah (talk) 08:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

AmericanAir88 (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2018 (UTC) @Yerevantsi: Issues are posted and should be addressed. On-hold for now. AmericanAir88 (talk) 02:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I will try to address as many of these issues as soon as I can. However, I will not be active for around 10 days. So I beg your patience. ----Երևանցի talk 18:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
@Yerevantsi: Ok, I understand. Keep me updated, anything over 10 days you need to talk to me as I do not want to feel as the review is abandoned. Have a nice vacation. AmericanAir88 (talk) 18:37, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: It has been more than 10 days and I see that you are back. I hope you enjoyed the break. Can you get started on these issues soon? AmericanAir88(talk) 22:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I'd like to continue Yerevantsi's work if you don't mind.--Cheetah (talk) 07:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Yerevantsi: @Crzycheetah: I am going to pass this but if you plan for FA, this needs work. Thank you cheetah for the help. AmericanAir88(talk) 13:52, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Overemphasis on Armenia

Ok now I understand why Wikipedia is banned in Turkey. The article seems to have lost its neutrality and focus only on one thing; that the Mount Ararat actually belongs to Armenia!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.38.157.211 (talk) 22:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Yerevantsi: It may be worded a bit strongly, and I've changed the section heading, but it's not simply a forum post. Armenia is mentioned 279 times, including references, and Turkey 91. Even the fact that it's a Turkish national park isn't in the article. So let's leave the IP's comment here, please. Doug Weller talk 20:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
There is a simple reason why Armenia is mentioned 3 times more: it has far more significance to Armenia and Armenians than it does to Turkey and Turks. In fact, it may be a synonym for Armenia in many contexts. There is a reason why there are books about Armenia and Armenians which include Ararat in their title, but none that includes Turkey.
Well, I was the one who added the template about its designation as a national park in Turkey in 2004. I have not had the time to research more into it and do not know of an appropriate section to add that information. ----Երևանցի talk 20:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
The remark by the IP: The marks of Armenian lobby on Wikipedia is disgusting. is not only FORUM, it is offensive and should be removed. Dr. K. 21:18, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
I’ve removed it. Doug Weller talk 21:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Doug. Dr. K. 21:51, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
This article has been nominated for Good Article status. I'm now in the process of reviewing it. One of the criteria for GA status is that the article is "stable" and maintains neutrality. It appears to me that whatever problem there might have been regarding bias favoring Armenia has been resolved, at least on this talk page. Please advise if any editor perceives neutrality to be a significant issue. Thanks.--Jburlinson (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Kurdish Name of mountain

The Kurdish name of the mountain is Çiyayê Agirî . Avestaboy (talk) 19:32, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Assistance request from Wikipedia community

User:Yerevantsi is at the moment starting a "revert/undo" war causing relevant information to get washed up in the process. See his/her latest edit deleting a summit photo of Mount Ararat/Ağrı by METU academicians and also deleting the related information in the process. Also the logo of a local university referenced with the mountain is deleted. I would like to point out that the mountian is in Turkey boundaries not in Armenia. However this can not be appraised while reading the page. The answer for this was given earlier as the Armenian culture & symbolism has a lot of material on this issue. Accepting this answer as a fair one, I began to think about strengthening the Turkish people's view about the mountian. Therefore I started to create a sub-section (via putting a template, however it is deleted in the process also, deleting a work-in-progress template by the way is un-Wiki behaviour) trying to inform the readers of Wikipedia that Mount Ararat/Ağrı is also of significance to Turkish people in whose boundaries the mountain rests. I do not want to divulge in politics between the two good nations of Turkey and Armenia, but the "revert/undo" process reminds me this agenda unfortunately. To sum up I would like to contribute to this article and emphasise on the topic that Turkish people also have multiple aspects symbolising the Turkish people's admiration to Mount Ararat/Ağrı. Best regards...Ertly (talk) 12:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Start by actually adding reliable sources that speak of the mountain's "Significance for Turkish peoples". Not only is the section header very POV, because, as I said, not a single source speaks of such significance for Turkish (sic) peoples, but the whole content of that section does not match the header. It's entirely WP:OR. Try to familiarize yourself with how Wikipedia works and how you cannot just put random information together under a POV header like "Significance for Turkish peoples". ----Երևանցի talk 12:25, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I have been "around" for more than you think my dear friend, therefore please stop patronising and check my works first. I have added a world wide Turkish author's info into the page that had long been "forgotten" by the Wikipedia community. I have added the extra info that a university in Turkey uses the mountain as its logo. What you consider original work is actually a "fact" that two leading academicians belonging to a well known university in Turkey (METU) had made summit in 1966, I have added the original photo. Therefore I am not waiting replies from you, I am requesting assistance from Wikipedia community. Take care...Ertly (talk) 14:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Armenian name

Why is the Armenian name of the town included? These have been Turkish and Kurdish lands for a thousand years. Articles on Greek islands that were Turkish territory a hundred years ago are not allowing Turkish names to be included! Double standards seem to be at play. Someone explain it logically please. Dominator1071 (talk) 23:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Please don't duplicate comments like this on multiple pages (and since when is Mount Ararat a "town"). But since you are doing this, I will copy my answer from Talk:Van, Turkey#Armenian name:
As a general rule, Ottoman names should be given for former parts of the Ottoman Empire now part of Greece, as for example in Chania, Crete, Lesbos, Giannitsa, etc.
If you could point out Greek places where the Ottoman place name is "not allowed to be included", please let me know.
Similarly, areas which have had important Armenian populations in the past should include the Armenian name. --Macrakis (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2020

I want to change the name of the article from Mount Ararat to Mount Agrı. Mountain is in Turkey and its official name must be in Turkish not Armenian. Hadican Çatak 08:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadican Çatak (talk • contribs)

We use whatever form is the most common in the English-speaking world, see WP:USEENGLISH, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:OFFICIAL. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Interesting because for Nagorno Karabakh the name is "Republic of Artsakh" even though everyone including a lot of Armenians are using Nagorno Karabakh Republic as the name but hey Wikipedia is "neutral" source Agulani (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

It's mountain Ağrı

Its name is "Mountain Ağrı", the title is incorrect. LeticiaLL (talk) 08:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Its name is "Mountain Ararat", the title is correct.

Weather?

I couldn't find anything about the climate of the mountain in the article. All cats are british (talk) 23:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Mount Ararat

for anyone considering similar lines of inquiry, WP:NPOV, WP:COMMONNAME and probably WP:NPA are good articles to read beforehand, also don't name yourself after genocidal war criminals.

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  • Although Mount Ararat is a mountain belonging to Turkey, it has been tried to be shown as a mountain belonging to Armenia.

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  • Turkish names are kept in the background while trying to show it as an Armenian mountain. Although Mount Ararat is a mountain in Turkey, a photo from Armenia was included and a note was added that it was taken from the capital of Armenia.

As you can see in the article, when the Armenian name was written, the Turkish name was not included in the mountain title. The article is very biased and gives a view of an armenian mountain. I want the protection order to be lifted in order to make an edit.:


Mount Ararat belongs to Turkey. https://www.google.com/maps/place/A%C4%9Fr%C4%B1+Da%C4%9F%C4%B1/@39.7024374,44.2815665,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x4014d232638342ad:0xaaa6fa54b6b1247c!8m2!3d39.7024393!4d44.2990761!5m1!1e4:

Enverpasatr (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Exitosa expedición en Turquía y España, en la página web oficial de Jaime Viñals
  2. ^ Jaime Viñals escala Monte Ararat y Pico Teide
Enverpasatr (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Enverpasatr, the location is clearly stated to be in Turkey, and the article title can only include the more common name in English, which is mount Ararat, not mount Ağrı. - Kevo327 (talk) 19:33, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Although Mount Ararat is located in Turkey, the Turkish name "Ağrı Dağı" is put at the end. Likewise, although it is in Turkey, it is not a photo from Turkey, but a photo from Armenia, and it gives the impression that Mount Ararat belongs to Armenia.The photograph of a mountain within the borders of Turkey taken from another country and the Armenian name of that country in the first place is extremely wrong and needs to be corrected. I want the photo taken from Yerevan to be changed and the Turkish names to be written as it should be instead of the materials that look like an armenian mountain. The writing of the Armenian name is purely provocation. "Արարատ" it is obvious that the article is not neutral and it is tried to give the appearance of Mount Ararat as if it were an Armenian mountain.there is no defense for it, and defending it is childish. I want the protection order to be lifted and I want to make the necessary arrangements. Mount Ararat does not belong to you, as it is written in your constitution, but belongs to Turkey.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

ScottishFinnishRadish Do you think the article is unbiased? How accurate is it to take a photo of the territory of a country other than your own and put it in the article? While Mount Ararat is a mountain belonging to Turkey, it is tried to be shown as a mountain belonging to Armenia. None of the information entered in the article is the information entered by consensus. It is a question of presenting a mountain belonging to Turkey as if it is a mountain belonging to Armenia. There are many wikipedia policy violations.If necessary, I would like you to offer your contribution as a third opinion.Enverpasatr (talk) 20:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I have no opinion on the article. In fact, I didn't even look at it. There was opposition to the request, and edit requests are for edits that are not contentious. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


ScottishFinnishRadish You can realize the situation in just a few seconds. This is nothing more than taking a picture of the English coast from the German coast and showing it as if it were the German coast.Now you can understand this best. Read the article and tell us if you find it difficult to understand who owns the mountain Ararat.Enverpasatr (talk) 20:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


Response to third opinion request:
<It contains materials showing that a mountain belonging to Turkey is as if it belongs to Armenia. For example, a photo taken from Armenia. writing the Turkish name used in the locale in the last place. Just under Mount Ararat, it's like writing the Armenian name in Armenian fonts.

The Armenian constitution clearly states that Mount Ararat belongs to it. but officially Mount Ararat belongs to Turkey. The current view, on the other hand, makes you feel that Mount Ararat belongs to Armenia in a multilateral way. It is wrong to write aldar in the first place with the photo taken from Yerevan and in Armenian fonts, and I would like to get an opinion from a third opinion to correct it.> Enverpasatr (talk) 20:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Enverpasatr (talk) 20:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
  • I'm afraid there is a vast difference between what is shown in the article and what you perceive is shown. All your point show a lack of understanding of how wikipedia articles are written. - Kevo327 (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

As an Armenian, I am aware that you are satisfied with the current outlook.however, the article was edited in an extremely biased way for provocation.Mount Ararat is a mountain belonging to the Republic of Turkey. Can you give a logical explanation for putting a photo taken from Armenia in the first image? Could you also explain the reason why his name is written in Armenian characters instead of Turkish local name?Let's not mess with our minds. What is tried to be done is to show the mountain as an Armenian mountain.so you, as an Armenian, can be content with your current situation, but in reality, this is not the case.Enverpasatr (talk) 20:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

The current version of the article clearly states that the summit of this mountain is in current Turkish territory. It also seems clear that the best photographic views of the mountain are taken from the largest Armenian city of Erevan, and that this mountain is an important symbol of Armenian identity although it is currently in Turkish territory. Facts are facts and this article should summarize what independent reliable sources say, without any regard to nationalistic talking points. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
If reliable independent sources exist that describe this mountain as a powerful symbol of Turkish identity, then those sources should be referenced and summarized in the article. Bring those sources forth. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
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Since when a mountain inside of a country has shown in two different maps?

Mount Ağrı/Ararat is located entirely in Turkish soil. Why there's an Armenian map shown? Even there are international mountains like Saint Elias, Mount Alverstone, Mount Cook (Saint Elias Mountains), Mount Stanley exists they have only one country's maps. Mountain is totally in Turkey, not a single part in Armenia.

Also, why this question deleted? I am going to push for this until a rational answer. Wikipedia is not a tyranny for mods.

Those are WP:OTHERSTUFF, no consensus or valid reason to change anything. - Kevo327 (talk) 13:47, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Regarding this section;
Mount Ararat (/ˈærəræt/ ARR-ə-rat;[1] Armenian: Մասիս, romanized: Masis or Արարատ, Ararat; Kurdish: Grîdax or Çiyayê Agirî, Turkish: Ağrı Dağı),
Shouldn't the local name in paranthesis of a mountain within Turkey be mentioned in the Turkish language first (due to its legal status), and perhaps Kurdish afterwards (due to the population surrounding it)? This is simply the commonplace way to deal with such naming, mind you, with prominent places in Arab-majority areas of Israel being mentioned first in Hebrew and so on. There is no reason aside from it is very important to these people for this page to be an exception.
Not to even mention a lack of sections on the Turkish and Kurdish cultural significance of the mountain despite the myriad of media and works of fiction around it, from pop music to local folk tales. It is clearly unreasonable to suggest the tallest mountain entirely located within a state wouldn't be among its national symbols. Foora (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Foora, a lot of disruptive editing goes into the native language versions, as a solution It's been reordered into alphabetical order, it doesn't make any difference which language is before another, and the article clearly states that the mountain is in Turkey. As for the lack of content about it's significance to the Turkish and Kurdish peoples, feel free to add the content you notice is missing with the appropriate reliable sources. - Kevo327 (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Ararat". Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved 2019-11-18. \ˈer-ə-ˌrat, ˈa-rə-\;

Source?

Zhomron Please tell me which part of this is sourced? Those edits didn't in fact include a source and removed a source from the article (sfn|Petrosyan|2016|p=68), so I reverted them. Also, WP:ONUS to reach consensus is on those seeking to include disputed content. So please revert yourself and reach consensus. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 19:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

You removed almost the entirety of the Hebrew variants which are sourced in the cited reference. That is the sourced content you removed. Zhomron (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
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