Talk:Mondo Cane (album)

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Date	Process	Result
March 17, 2008	Articles for deletion	No consensus
July 30, 2012	Good article nominee	Listed

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the 2010 album Mondo Cane by Mike Patton was conceived during the singer's time in Bologna?

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Live or Studio?[edit]

Is this technically a live album or a studio album? It was made in the studio from bits and pieces of many live shows. Pwrong (talk) 02:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 15:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments[edit]

1

"Patton's Ipecac Recordings record label." or "Patton's record label Ipecac Recordings."?
All instances are now phrased as "Patton's record label Ipecac Recordings". GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"forty-strong orchestra" or "forty-member orchestra"? Not sure what the correct term is here.
I wasn't sure myself; changed to the latter. GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"When assembling the cut for "Deep Down", Patton was able to get in touch with the original vocalist, a woman named Christy, though mutual friend Daniele Luppi, although she declined to take part in the project." - Might need to be split
Now two sentences. GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A little heavy on quoting. This is an issue per WP:QUOTEFARM.
I've paraphrased a few quotes to trim this down; could you check to see if the wording still reflects what the quotes had said? GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that looks right. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a light copyedit, you should double check.
Thanks for that. GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

3

Fix the fact tags (all direct quotes, remember?)
Got it. GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As The Vine is being used for an interview, I'll accept it. But when the about page says it "brings you all the latest news and rumours, facts and hard-hitting opinion, wanton gossip and downright lies, from the world of pop culture, music, fashion, art, entertainment and more." I'd be really careful what I use it for.
I had a look at the "about us" page, and although the tone of the site seems unprofessional I figured the fact that they had a retained staff would mean an interview would be genuine. I've only taken material from Patton's responses in the interview, leaving aside anything the interviewer himself brought up. GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

6

File:Mike Patton Mondo Cane.jpg could be a bit smaller.
The file itself (it seems a bit large I guess), or its use in the article? GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The file. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reduced, largest dimension is now 300px. Have added {{furd}} but I guess you can use those new buttons yourself if you'd prefer. GRAPPLE X 16:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spotcheck: Based on this revision:

FN2

A: Fails verification, just says he owned a house there. Living somewhere isn't quite the same thing. Bit about second home also unsupported (FN4 better supports this)

B: Verified, no close paraphrasing

C: Verified, no close paraphrasing

Have added ref 4 (now ref 2) to this. GRAPPLE X 16:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FN4

A: Nitpick: It's a two-disc set, not necessarily an album. Don't know how much of a say Morricone had in it, aside from saying yes.

B: Verified, no close paraphrasing

C: Verified, no close paraphrasing

D: Verified, no close paraphrasing

Comment: You know, the fact that these songs range "from Frank Sinatra pop to psychedelic garage rock" could be worth a mention.

Have reworded the Crime and Dissonance bit, added an extra ref to support mention of it being a compilation. Added the genre thing too. GRAPPLE X 16:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FN6

A: Verified, no close paraphrasing

B: Verified, no close paraphrasing

C: Verified, no close paraphrasing

D: Verified, no close paraphrasing

FN13

A: Verified, no close paraphrasing

Comment: This has more on the style of the music, could be useful.

Added some of this up in "production" alongside the quote from the Allrovi ref too. If you'd prefer it paraphrased instead, let me know. GRAPPLE X 16:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Further discussion[edit]

On hold for one week to address the issues. Could use some expansion, but not necessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reviewing this for me; and so quickly! GRAPPLE X 15:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, looks good. Passing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with tense[edit]

"however, the two musicians have not actually met or worked together before."

This should either read: "however, the two musicians HAD not actually met or worked together before."

Or: "however, the two musicians have not actually met or worked together." (No BEFORE.)

Before implies past, and needs a past tense verb where this sentence has "have." GeneCallahan (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They still haven't met, changing it to "had" would imply that they did meet through this or another project. It's still a present tense sentence as the statement is still true, not just that it was true at one time. GRAPPLE X 20:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Mistakes[edit]

There were many errors on this page: for example confusion between lyricists and singers. Gianni Morandi is a singer, he doesn't write songs (for example). I have corrected the errors.--Bieco blu (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]