Talk:Monarchy of Canada and the Indigenous peoples of Canada

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Lead paragraph[edit]

Some clarifications should be made. The Canadian crown is a relatively new institution, and so cannot be said to have had a relationship which goes back centuries. It would be accurate to refer to the British and French crowns in that case. Also, treaties were established, yes, but also broken and abrogated.

The sentence referencing the Maori could be reworked so there is no implication that they view their treaty as between them and the crown in Canada.

The reference to "ever-changing governments" is curious. A government of the day is steward of the state, and as such can change what it, and therefore the crown, does. The relationship is inextricable.

The claim that "First Nations continue to celebrate these connections with the monarchy" is misleading, based on the citation. For one, the article is an opinion/editorial from the viewpoint of one person. But the writer says "We celebrate our community survival. We celebrate the treaty that was meant to ensure our economic survival in a changing world." It's understandable to celebrate survival and a tool which can be used to ensure it. That's not the same as celebrating monarchy as an institution, and to say it does is inaccurate.

The lead paragraph offers a pro-monarchist view. I'd encourage neutrality. Yoho2001 (talk) 06:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done..as per above !!

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The result of the move request was page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The Canadian Crown and First Nations, Inuit and Métis → The Canadian Crown and Aboriginal peoples — Should this article not be called The Canadian Crown and Aboriginal peoples or The Canadian Crown and Aboriginals....just seems long for no reason....and the fact we use the word Aboriginal for encompassing all 3 groups in Canada... See: Aboriginal peoples in Canada#Terminology ..Buzzzsherman (talk) 01:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't think "aboriginals" was a term used much in Canada; government sources always seem to adhere to the "First Nations, Inuit and Métis" phrase. But, if it's kosher, I've no objection to a move. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - It is a common term in Canada and used in Section Thirty-five of the Constitution Act, 1982. --Padraic 18:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - The Canadian Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development are more often to group original peoples of North America and their descendants as "Aboriginal peoples" rather than separating them.[1] --Labattblueboy (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Royal commission[edit]

I trust that, with the added references, it is now clear that the Governor General-in-Council establishes royal commissions, not the prime minister alone. I'm willing to tweak the wording of the sentence in question, however, should anyone perceive a problem with it. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 16:00, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, in technical constitutional terms, you are correct that this action happens through the GG. For the purposes of a single sentence describing the origins of the commission in an encyclopedia, however, I do not think it is appropriate to mention the GG, since it is misleading to non-Canadians and Canadians not familiar with constitutional conventions. "On the advice of the prime minister" is a legal term of art referring a constitutional convention; I think that WP:MTAA means we should avoid using technical terms.
It is extremely common to refer to Orders-in-Council as an action of the government of the day, the cabinet, or the prime minister. This is why there is no source that refers to RCAP specifically as enacted by the GG, and, for example, there is not a single reference in the media to the recent Public Works Protection Act regulation being an action of the Lieutant-Governor.
I think there are many places on Wikipedia where it would be useful to explain how the GG enacts law "on the advice of the PM". In the context of this paragraph, it is confusing. Would you be happy with "established by the government of Brian Mulroney", since that makes clear this was not a 'personal' decision? --Padraic 16:48, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Though I agree that it can get wordy sometimes, I hardly see how it's misleading to be absolutely accurate on how the government operates; what's misleading is lazy media disseminating the myth that the royal prerogative is some kind of presidential power belonging to the prime minister. I'd be fine with "by order-in-council" or something along those lines. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:14, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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