Talk:Miguel Treviño Morales/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Quadell (talk · contribs) 21:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator: ComputerJA

I will begin this review shortly. – Quadell ^(talk) 21:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to review the article. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 21:18, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a strong nominee. It is thorough and well-sourced. I've identified a number of issues below.

There are some problems with the names of the sections, and the levels of those sections, in the article's organization. For instance, most of Treviño's "Early life" was not part of his "Criminal career", but his command of Los Zetas (during the split and infighting) certainly were. I don't think "Criminal career" is a good name for a super-section, since his criminal career is pretty much all he's notable for. Details of his arrest should not really be a sub-section of "Bounty and indictments". I don't think the wording needs to reorganized or rearranged, but I do think the section names and levels should be re-thought.

Y I added "Early life" as a stand-alone section and removed "Criminal career", merging its two subsections into one. Let me know if you like it. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This article consistently refers to the subject as "Treviño Morales" (when not using the full name), using both the paternal and maternal family names, as do some of the news sources. But both the New York Times and CNN simply refer to him as "Treviño", which is shorter. Is there a reason you prefer to use the longer version?

I always come along this problem when using Mexican v. American sources. Mexican sources usually use his full last name, while American sources either use "Trevino" or "Trevino-Morales" (note the hyphen). Both the Mexican government and the U.S. government use his two last names. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The lead says he had "six brothers and six sisters", but the body says he was born into "a large family of at least six sons and six daughters". So first, did he have (at least) 5 brothers or 6? And secondly, if the body thinks there might be more, then the lead should not claim certainty on the number.

Y This was a mistake on my part. Proceso source says Z40's parents had 13 children (counting Z40), and I was counting him as a brother to by mistake. Fixed. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it's fair to call guiso "his favorite torture method". (He used it a lot, but do we know if it was his favorite?)

Y Paraphrased to "A common torture method of his was known as guiso (stew)". ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the "Notes" at the bottom of the infobox are relevant any longer, since he is now in prison and the reward is no longer active.

Y Done. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article states "Treviño Morales grew up detesting Mexico's class disparity and developed so much resentment as to partially explain his explosive behavior as an adult". The words "detesting" and "explosive" come directly from the source, and should be reworded to be more encyclopedic (and to avoid any hint of Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing).

Y Done. Thanks for noting. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The "Early Life" section describes El Karis, "who later became his mentor and eventually ended up replacing him in Nuevo Laredo." It isn't clear what this means. El Karis replaced Treviño? In what? Treviño was a yard-worker and car-washer at this point.

Y Fixed. Z40 replaced him as the Zetas leader in Nuevo Laredo. It should be clear now. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Direct quotes always need a source immediately after. It's acceptable to have the source at the end of the sentence, but only if it's clear where the quote came from. It isn't clear where the quote "power, money, weapons and the vast consumer market for illegal drugs" comes from.

Y Good catch. I added the source appropriately now. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph in "Early Life" ends with "Treviño Morales had crossed illegally into the United States", and it feels like an afterthought. But that paragraph describes several crossings (and even that he "frequented" Dallas). Were his entries into the U.S. generally illegal? If so, the fact should probably be mentioned earlier in the paragraph, in a way that fits better into the flow of the prose.

Source says "As late as 2005," he had crossed illegally into the U.S. I am not sure if he crossed illegal prior to that. [1] ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The header "Los Zetas splits from the Gulf Cartel" is in the present tense. I would reword it as a noun phrase (or gerund phrase) like the other sections. You might try "Split between Los Zetas and the Gulf Cartel" or something similar

Y Added your suggestion. Thanks. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a number of copy-edits to the article. If you disagree with any of them, feel free to revert and discuss.

They all look good. Thanks for taking the time to fix the article's wording. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is very close to GA status. I'll put this nomination on hold, and if these issues are resolved, I expect I'll be able to promote it. All the best, – Quadell ^(talk) 18:59, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the review. I think the concerns have been addressed. Let me know if you have anymore. Regards, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:15, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your promptness! I have made a few more changes in wording for smoothness of prose, based on the discussion above. This now passes all our GA criteria, and I am happy to promote the article. – Quadell ^(talk) 13:58, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]