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Source on Duke's continued complaining - 1992 Boston Globe article, 1998 Op-Ed column in the (Portland) Oregonian. I will try to pin down the sources with dates, author etc. Ellsworth 21:18, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

References

Why do we have a further reading section but no references, which are far more important? If any of the further reading books were used as sources, let's cite them. Johnleemk | Talk 12:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Why was my citation of Clinton's autobiography removed for being irrelevant? Clinton was the governor of Arkansas who strongly supported Dukakis' candidacy, and even made a speech at the DNC supporting him. Clinton mentions the campaign quite a bit, and in any case, it's a reference. Until we find better ones, I vote to keep it. Johnleemk | Talk 14:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Birthplace

Michael Stanley Dukakis (born November 3, 1933) is an American politician of Greek origin, from Massachusetts.

I would beg to guess the "of Greek origin" was removed because it may lead to the belief that Mr. Dukakis was born in Greece, whereas he was actually born in Brookline, Massachusetts. Sahasrahla 05:21, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)

Mr. Dukakis has Aromanian origin. His family tree goes back in Northen Greece, in a well established Aromanian community — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.34.208.11 (talk) 16:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Early Career

I deleted the stuff about his mother because it's entirely irrelevant to Dukakis' early career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.79.148 (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Dukakis would not have been the first U.S. President with immigrant parents; Andrew Jackson was. Both of Jackson's parents were born in Northern Ireland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfodom (talk • contribs) 17:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

According to the article on Chester A. Arthur, Arthur was also born to immigrant parents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.227.22.146 (talk) 03:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Dukakis is definitely shorter than 5'8". Because it is not cited anyway, I recommend its removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.89.31 (talk) 19:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thatcher and the tank picture

Could someone involved with this article please explain why there is a short discussion of the comparative effect of a picture of Margaret Thatcher riding a tank in a scarf on her election prospects? What do the two have to do with each other? They're different countries and different election years. That's something for a news article, not Wikipedia. Daniel Case (talk) 02:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Electoral history

There seems to be a problem with the figures for the presidential election. They add up to 103%.

It looks like someone corrected that.Bostoner (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Moved here from article

Trivia

  • Michael Dukakis was the longest-serving governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, spending a total of twelve years in office. He was not the longest consecutive-serving governor, however (Levi Lincoln, Jr. served nine consecutive years, from 1825 to 1834).
  • Dukakis's height is 5'6".
  • Dukakis and his wife Kitty have spent many summers vacationing at the summer home of Kitty's father in Tyringham, Massachusetts. Kitty's father is Boston Pops musician Harry Ellis Dickson. Had Dukakis won the Presidency, this home likely would have been the summer White House, according to The Berkshire Eagle.[citation needed]
  • Dukakis is mentioned in the Pulitzer-winning novel, Middlesex, by Jeffrey Eugenides in a passage about being a Greek American.
  • The neighboring high school in the TV series Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide is named after him
  • In Marvel Comics' New Universe, Dukakis becomes vice-president in 1988-- he, and much of the country, having been mind-controlled by the new President, supervillain Philip Nolan Voigt.
I would not consider Dukakis's height to be trivia. An analysis of past presidential elections shows that the taller candidate almost always wins (2004 being a notable exception). I suspect that this an unconscious prejudice on the part of the voters.Bostoner (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Personal information

  • Dukakis is married to Katherine D. (Kitty) Dukakis. The couple's children are John, Andrea and Kara and their grandchildren are Alexandra Jane Dukakis, Harry Nicholas Hereford, Josephine Katharine Hereford, Olivia Dukakis Onek, Peter Antonio Dukakis and Nora Dukakis Onek. The *Dukakises continue to reside in his boyhood home in Brookline, Massachusetts, but live in Los Angeles, California during the winter while Dukakis teaches at UCLA.

Discussion

  • Why was this moved? Gang14 15:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I moved it. Most of it does not belong in the article. Anything worthwhile can be integrated into the article, but Wikipedia does not encourage trivia sections. --John 16:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I put back what was worth keeping. --John 16:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
How is the following not important:
  • Michael Dukakis was the longest-serving governor of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, spending a total of twelve years in office. He was not the longest consecutive-serving governor, however (Levi Lincoln, Jr. served nine consecutive years, from 1825 to 1834).

Just wondering Gang14 21:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok maybe not the longest-serving governor and Swarthmore college but what about the eagle scout thing. Gang14 23:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Origin

as far as i know, his parents are from lesbos, not from asia minor. --Severino (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I wondered about that too, as that (his parents being from Lesbos) was what was widely reported in 1987-88. It only states his father has origins within Anatolia, so perhaps he first left the mainland in favor of Lesbos, where he met his wife, and then subsequently emigrated to the USA. I don't know, but that is at least a sequence of events that makes sense. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 12:05, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Having looked into the matter, it is apparently established that Panos Dukakis (Michael's father) was born in Edremit, in what is today Turkey. I have edited the article to both reflect this specific place of origin, as well as to include an evidentiary citation in support of this apparent fact. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 12:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Frank Rich for Governor?

I'm guessing the Frank Rich who ran for Governor of Massachusetts in 1982, as an independent garnering just over three percent of the vote, is not this Frank Rich, who writes for The New York Times. His name was linked to the above referenced article on Frank Rich, but I assumed that was an error, and thus de-linked it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, of course. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 13:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible WP:NFC violation

MichaelSDukakis.png keeps being edited in to replace Dukakis1988rally.jpg WP:NFC states:

"There is no automatic entitlement to use non-free content in an article. Articles may in accordance with the guideline use brief verbatim textual excerpts from copyrighted media, properly attributed or cited to its original source or author. Other non-free content—including all copyrighted images, audio and video clips, and other media files that lack a free content license—may be used on the English Wikipedia only where all 10 of the following criteria are met." (emphasis added)

The first criterion is:

"1. No free equivalent. Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose."

Dukakis1988rally.jpg is a free image. MichaelSDukakis.png is not. It's tough to say MichaelSDukakis.png meets the "No free equivalent" standard when it keeps replacing a free equivalent.Hal (talk) 16:28, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


The term dukaki is used as a double entendre.

This is in the article, and dukaki links to same. What's the double entendre? Someone needs to clarify (or else fill me in).  :) Shiggity (talk) 21:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Electoral Map?

The electoral map of the 1988 Presidential election has two figures for West Virginia suggesting that its apportionment of electors was not on a state wide winner take all basis. I have searched on the web and can find no evidence of that having been the case. The only pertinent information I could find states that electors are presently awarded on a winner take all basis statewide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.121.84 (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Immigrants vs Colonists

Mike Dukakis would have been the first US President born to two immigrant parents. Andrew Jackson was the son of colonists, not immigrants. As Chilton Williamson pointed out in The Immigration Mystique, the 80,000 mostly English and Scots-Irish settlers of colonial times, the ancestors of America’s historic Anglo-Saxon majority, had not transplanted themselves from one nation to another (which is what defines immigration), but from Britain and its territories to British colonies. They were not immigrants, but colonists. The immigrants of the late nineteenth and twentieth centuries came to an American nation that had already been formed by those colonists and their descendants. Wikipediaphile (talk) 21:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

I'd have to disagree with that, "immigrants" as commonly used refers to those who came here from elsewhere, that is all who were not born in America. This is the context within which FDR made the statement that we are a nation of immigrants. Those English and Scottish immigrants may have been British colonists in some constrained legal sense, but they were immigrants who sailed across the Atlantic nonetheless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.121.84 (talk) 20:14, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

bad external link

link 4 is bad on this date G. Robert Shiplett 12:07, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the external link, which returned a 404 error. For the record, the link was this:
A search of that web site failed to turn up an equivalent page. Rivertorch (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Greek transliteration

I removed the Greek transliteration of his name as original research, since he never lived in Greece nor did he pretend to be a a Greek immigrant. Some Wikipedians want to penalize the many natural-born Americans who do not identify as ethnically English with a transliteration cluttering their lead sentence, but this is not how we operate. If you want to show that his Roman-alphabet name was foreign and confusing to him, kindly bring some citations to the table. —Designate (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Article Michael Dukakis tank photograph has been redirected to this page

The page had one paragraph and was nearly identical to the paragraph in this article. Vile-eight (talk) 19:30, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I want to also leave a link here to the photo that was on that page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Michael_Dukakis_in_tank.jpg). I guess that was the reason for the separate article? I don't see any reason it can't be on this page or why we would need a separate page for it. I noticed in the edit history that the tank picture article was created in 2012 and the user acknowledged it was copypasted from this article, and promised to expand it later, but never did. I think the photo would work on this page but I'm not used to adding images so I will stop here. If someone else can add it into the main article here I think that would be great Vile-eight (talk) 19:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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1988 campaign

The article fails to mention the background on the furlough program

As the Dukakis campaign is quick to note, it began in 1972 under a Republican Governor, Frank Sargent.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/05/us/prison-furloughs-in-massachusetts-threaten-dukakis-record-on-crime.html

If I get time, I'll do a proper wiki write up but just for now this is on the record.

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2019

Add "He is a member of the ReFormers Caucus of Issue One.[2]" in the section "After presidential run" 206.205.76.90 (talk) 21:26, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done Fish+Karate 13:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ a b Townley, Alvin. Legacy of Honor: The Values and Influence of America's Eagle Scouts. New York: St. Martin's Press. pp. pp. 192-196. ISBN 0-312-36653-1. Retrieved 2006-12-29. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); Unknown parameter |origdate= ignored (|orig-date= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ https://www.issueone.org/reformers/#reformer-full-list

Picture

The gentleman is still alive, is there any reason his picture is in Black and white? Alexandre8 (talk) 14:15, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Alexandre8, we work with what we have. Most of our available photos of him are black and white. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. At what point does a public photo become available for use on wikipedia?Alexandre8 (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
How’s this image? It was taken in 2015 and it’s in color. The Image Editor (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
2015 image proposal

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