Talk:Merion air disaster

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As of 5:45pm Eastern U.S. Time Dec 8 2019 the article contains "The wives of the two helicopter pilots split a $5 million settlement, mostly to those killed and injured on the ground and damage to the school's property. More than a dozen lawsuits followed the crash, most settled out of court. All of the four pilots families involved reached settlements with victims for an undisclosed amount." That's nonsense. The pilots' families wouldn't have any liability. Only the pilots could be held to have behaved negligently. Their families were innocent. Any settlement would come from the pilots' net worth at the time they died, diminishing the inheritance their heirs would have otherwise received. But the heirs aren't being found liable for negligence. And what does "split a $5 million settlement" mean? Do you mean they split a $5 million LIABILITY that they had to PAY? Or that their deceased spouses' employer was found guilty of negligence and they RECEIVED a $5 million SETTLEMENT? Please be clear. "Split" doesn't differentiate between "paid" and "received".74.64.104.99 (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson[reply]

Requested move 27 May 2024[edit]

It has been proposed in this section that Merion air disaster be renamed and moved to 1991 Merion mid-air collision.

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Merion air disaster → 1991 Merion mid-air collision – The proposed title fits better with the titles found at List of mid-air collisions. The relevant title guideline, WP:NCEVENTS, calls for the year to be included in the title in the majority of cases, with the only exception being historically significant events. Given that we don't have coverage beyond 1991, I don't think this one qualifies for the exemption. I'm also proposing we swap "disaster" for "mid-air collision", since WP:DISASTER recommends not using that word: mid-air collision is more precise and will make this title be more consistent with the rest. Pilaz (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, proposed title looks appropriate, per the above. Dmoore5556 (talk) 21:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per proposer. I'll note that 1948 Gatow air disaster, Ramstein air show disaster and Green Ramp disaster are the only other listed titles to use "disaster", should they also be considered for renaming? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 11:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While a bit uncertain for the 1948 Gatow air disaster, the Ramstein air show disaster and the Green Ramp disaster are both common names that are used to cite both events: Green Ramp Disaster, Ramstein Air Show Disaster. So in my opinion, while this is not the correct location to discuss this, I would say to leave all of them as they are as most of them are commonly used names. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had a couple of thoughts about Ramstein and Green Ramp when nominating this, originally, and concluded that Ramstein could certainly exist without the date (it's historically significant and well-remembered) and could keep the disaster. Green Ramp is in my view a borderline case: I think the year could be included, but here again it does seem that disaster is the common name used in reliable sources (caveat: I suspect that Wikipedia influences more recent name titles, so I would take more recent sources with a bigger pinch of salt). In my mind, however, Gatow should lose the disaster in favor of mid-air collision. Pilaz (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 12:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]