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Table in Member state of the European Union#Current members is unwieldy - could it be cleaned up?

The table in question currently has 16 columns. I don't think I've seen any with this many on any other article, and It makes navigating it difficult, even on a desktop PC. Would people be open to removing some of the columns from the table? The ones I think that could most easily be done away with are those that are unuseful for making direct comparisons. These are: Native name, code, and capital. Furthermore, I think 'territories' could be better integrated in the table, and flags positioned to the right of the country's name rather than as a separate column. I have indicated with Cyprus and Denmark in the table below how the this might look. Domeditrix (talk) 10:51, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely! All of this stuff is in the country articles, so only 'comparison at a glance' is needed here. I would lose
  • List of countries by GDP, it tells you that Germany has the largest economy and Malta the smallest shock. GDP per capita is the useful comparator.
  • Languages
  • Territories
But maybe best if you do your proposals first (which I support) and then consider mine as they are maybe more controversial. But in the meantime, I suggest a change to the GDP column title in case we must have it, to GDP (US$M) [I have done this below but not in article]. --Red King (talk) 16:21, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I've amended the table in the main article. I'd also support removing languages and GDP. Domeditrix (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I have pasted back below your revised (live) version. It really does look a lot better now, it fits on a reasonable (25cm) laptop or tablet screen. So let's let it stand like that for a week to see if anyone has further comments. --Red King (talk) 19:49, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
We could make it even slimmer, and more compliant with Wiki guidelines by removing the flag icons per MOS:FLAG. -- DeFacto (talk). 20:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't be averse to that, it's still a large table by most standards. Domeditrix (talk) 10:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree. It is just clutter. If it were a list of UN members, flags provide a quick access method but here it just cruft. --Red King (talk) 17:43, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
I have to confess I've just added ISO3166 codes into the table. Tables are data, and means of linking data together between tables is useful. Wikipedia is a general reference source, used widely by many people. Is the 'Czech Republic' referenced in this table the same as 'Czechia' referenced in another source? The ISO3166 code verifies that yes, it is. It may reasonably be argued that one of the two columns is superfluous, but (in my opinion), they cannot both be. There may be an argument for having a more comprehensive table as a separate page, with only a subset of its columns on this page, provided there is a link to the more comprehensive table. Simon standingstone (talk) 11:39, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Country name Accession
 Population
 Area (km²)
 GDP
(US$M) 		GDP per cap.
(PPP)[1] 		Currency
 Gini
 HDI
 EP
seats 		Languages
Austria Austria 1995 8,792,500[2] 83,855 437,582 53,558[3] euro 29.1[4] 0.908[5] 18 German
Belgium Belgium 1957Founder 11,365,834[2] 30,528 534,230 49,529[3] euro 33.0[4] 0.916[5] 21 Dutch
French
German
Bulgaria Bulgaria 2007 7,101,859[2] 110,994 55,824 24,595[3] lev 29.2[4] 0.813[5] 17 Bulgarian
CroatiaCroatia 2013 4,154,213[2] 56,594 57,073 27,729[3] kuna 29[4] 0.831[5] 11 Croatian
Cyprus[a] Cyprus 2004 854,802[2] 9,251 23,263 41,407[3] euro 31.2[4] 0.869[5] 6 Greek
Turkish[b]
Czechia Czech Republic 2004 10,467,628[2] 78,866 205,270 38,834[3] koruna 25.8[4] 0.888[5] 21 Czech[c]
Denmark[d] Denmark 1973 5,743,947[2] 43,075 342,362 53,882[3] krone 24.7[4] 0.929[5] 13 Danish
Estonia Estonia 2004 1,315,635[2] 45,227 26,506 35,853[3] euro 36.0[4] 0.871[5] 6 Estonian
Finland[e] Finland 1995 5,577,282[2] 338,424 272,649 47,975[3] euro 26.9[4] 0.920[5] 13 Finnish
Swedish
France[f] France 1957Founder 67,024,633[2] 632,833[6] 2,833,687 47,223[3] euro 32.7[4] 0.901[5] 74 French
Germany Germany 1957Founder[g] 82,437,641[2] 357,386 3,874,437 53,567[3] euro 28.3[4] 0.936[5] 96 German
Greece Greece 1981 10,757,293[2] 131,990 237,970 30,252[3] euro 34.3[4] 0.870[5] 21 Greek
Hungary Hungary 2004 9,797,561[2] 93,030 136,989 34,047[3] forint 30.0[4] 0.838[5] 21 Hungarian
Ireland Republic of Ireland 1973 4,774,833[2] 70,273 250,814 83,399[3] euro 34.3[4] 0.938[5] 11 Irish
English
Italy Italy 1957Founder 61,219,113[2] 301,338 2,147,744 40,470[3] euro 36.0[4] 0.880[5] 73 Italian
Latvia Latvia 2004 1,950,116[2] 64,589 31,972 31,402[3] euro 35.7[4] 0.847[5] 8 Latvian
Lithuania Lithuania 2004 2,847,904[2] 65,200 48,288 36,701[3] euro 35.8[4] 0.858[5] 11 Lithuanian
Luxembourg Luxembourg 1957Founder 589,370[2] 2,586.4 65,683 108,951[3] euro 30.8[4] 0.904[5] 6 French
German
Luxembourgish[h]
Malta Malta 2004 440,433[2] 316 10,514 47,405[3] euro 25.8[4] 0.878[5] 6 Maltese
English
Netherlands[i] Netherlands 1957Founder 17,220,721[2] 41,543 880,716 58,341[3] euro 30.9[4] 0.931[5] 26 Dutch
Frisian[j]
Poland Poland 2004 37,972,964[2] 312,685 547,894 33,891[3] złoty 34.9[4] 0.865[5] 51 Polish
Portugal[k] Portugal 1986 10,291,027[7] 92,212[8] 340,715[9] 33,665[3] euro 32.1[10] 0.847[5] 21 Portuguese

Mirandese

Romania Romania 2007 19,638,309[2] 238,391 199,093 27,998[3] leu 31.5[4] 0.811[5] 32 Romanian
Slovakia Slovakia 2004 5,435,343[2] 49,035 99,869 36,640[3] euro 25.8[4] 0.855[5] 13 Slovak
Slovenia Slovenia 2004 2,065,895[2] 20,273 49,570 38,462[3] euro 31.2[4] 0.896[5] 8 Slovene
Spain[l] Spain 1986 46,528,966[2] 504,030 1,406,538 41,592[3] euro 32.0[4] 0.891[5] 54 Spanish
Galician
Catalan
Basque[m]
Sweden Sweden 1995 10,080,000[2] 449,964 570,591 54,628[3] krona 25.0[4] 0.933[5] 20 Swedish

Notes

  1. ^ De facto (though not de jure) excludes the disputed territory of Northern Cyprus and the UN buffer zone. See: Cyprus dispute.
  2. ^ The Turkish language is not an official language of the European Union.
  3. ^ Officially recognised minority languages:
  4. ^ Excludes the autonomous regions of Greenland, which left the then-EEC in 1985, and the Faroe Islands.
  5. ^ Includes the Åland Islands, an autonomous region of Finland.
  6. ^ Includes the overseas regions of French Guiana, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Mayotte, Réunion, and the overseas collectivity of Saint Martin. Excludes the overseas collectivities of French Polynesia, Saint Barthélemy, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and Wallis and Futuna; the special collectivity of New Caledonia; Clipperton Island; and the French Southern and Antarctic Lands.
  7. ^ On 3 October 1990, the constituent states of the former German Democratic Republic acceded to the Federal Republic of Germany, automatically becoming part of the EU.
  8. ^ The Luxembourgish language is not an official language of the European Union.
  9. ^ Excludes the three special municipalities of the Netherlands (Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba). Also excludes the three other constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands (Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten).
  10. ^ The Frisian language is not an official language of the European Union.
  11. ^ Includes the autonomous regions of the Azores and Madeira.
  12. ^ Includes the autonomous community of the Canary Islands; the autonomous cities of Ceuta and Melilla; and the territories comprising the plazas de soberanía.
  13. ^ Basque, Catalan/Valencian and Galician are co-official languages with Castilian Spanish in their respective territories, allowing their use in EU institutions under limited circumstances.[11]

References

  1. ^ at purchasing power parity, per capita, in international dollars (rounded)
  2. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z Council Decision of 12 December 2017 ([1]).
  3. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa "IMF". www.imf.org. Retrieved 2019-10-18.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  4. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z "UNDP.org". hdrstats.undp.org. Archived from the original on 12 October 2009.
  5. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa "Human Development Report 2018 – "Human Development Indices and Indicators: 2018 Statistical Update" (PDF). HDRO (Human Development Report Office) United Nations Development Programme. p. 22. Retrieved 8 October 2018.
  6. ^ Anonymous (5 July 2016). "Living in the EU - European Union - European Commission". European Union.
  7. ^ "Statistics Portugal - Web Portal". www.ine.pt.
  8. ^ "Portugal tem 92.212 quilómetros quadrados, por enquanto... - Sociedade - PUBLICO.PT". web.archive.org. 5 October 2012.
  9. ^ "Report for Selected Countries and Subjects". www.imf.org.
  10. ^ "Índice de Gini (percentagem)". www.pordata.pt.
  11. ^ "Regional and minority languages in the European Union" (PDF) (PDF). European Parliament Members' Research Service. September 2016. Retrieved 16 January 2019.

Lack of neutrality - withdrawal section

The following text under the "Withdrawal" section lacks neutrality of tone.

"The UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 at 23:00 GMT ending 47 years of membership despite (subsequently incorrect) allegations of electoral misconduct during the referendum and repeated calls for a second referendum by those seeking to remain in the European Union irrespective of democratic votes otherwise"

In particular: "irrespective of democratic votes otherwise" and use of "despite". Further the allegations of electoral misconduct are not entirely settled especially given footnote 31: Dan Sabbagh, Luke Harding, Andrew Roth: Russia report reveals UK government failed to investigate Kremlin interference The Guardian, 21 July 2020.

Better text would simply read: "The UK left the EU on 31 January 2020 at 23:00 GMT ending 47 years of membership."

Allegation of electoral misconduct during the referendum should be handled separately. It would probably require engaging with the Russia report mentioned in fn 31. Similarly the issue of a second referendum would need to be addressed separately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.43.247.124 (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Repetition in Withdrawal section

The final para, which is a summary of the stages of withdrawal of the UK, repeats a lot of info from three or four paras earlier. Boscaswell talk 07:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

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