Talk:Mecca Province

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Requested move 31 August 2019[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 21:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Makkah Region → Mecca Region
Al Madinah Region → Medina Region

– Per commonname, consistency, recognizability. Onceinawhile (talk) 01:09, 31 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★Chat -- 20:47, 9 September 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. A1Cafel (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: these are the names of official administrative division (Mintaqah). The commonly used names when referring to these administrative division are Makkah and Al Madina. For example "Mecca is a city in the Hejaz region of Saudi Arabia that is also capital of the Makkah Region." [1]--SharabSalam (talk) 01:53, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The transliteration of Arabic into Roman script is very far from having any degree of consistency, so this makes sense per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:13, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Necrothesp, Do you know the difference between Makkah region(Mintaqah) and Mecca city? Sources usually use Makkah in the context of the region and Mecca in the context of the city(see what I said above). Even wikipedia do that,

"Mecca is the capital of the Makkah Region" Mecca#Government and also the infobox. The name Mecca is used only for the city not the region which is another administrative division.--SharabSalam (talk) 16:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds a little patronising! Of course I do. My comment stands. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:59, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The English Wikipedia must use the common names in English, not what is official in Arabic. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 08:35, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:57, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Accidental revert[edit]

I accidentally reverted the article today. I re-reverted it back. Don't worry.

Requested move 8 August 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to not move. Given the 2019 consensus move to the current title, and the only support for reverting that move with this proposal is from the nom, consensus remains keeping this here; to not move. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 06:55, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mecca Region → Makkah Province – Given that this article is about the Saudi administrative division, I believe the spelling and naming should conform to that which is being used by the Saudi government:
Province, not Region: As such, the website of the Saudi Arabian Ministry of Interior, which maintains a comprehensive list of the emirates/provinces and other sectors within the scope of the ministry, uses the name Emirate of Makkah Province.^[1] My understanding is that the Saudi government, in addition to the ministry, refers to the geographic region as province and the administrative division as emirate and that the article needs to reflect this.
Makkah, not Mecca: In addition to the fact that the aforementioned website of the Ministry of Interior uses the name Makkah Province,^[2] Google Ngram Viewer shows that the name Makkah Province is almost 6 times more prevalent in usage than Mecca Region.^[3]
Conclusion: In the case this request is approved, I believe the same changes should be applied to all articles concerning the provinces of Saudi Arabia.

References

^ "Emirate of Makkah Province". Ministry of Interior. Retrieved 8 August 2020.
^ "Emirate of Makkah Province". Ministry of Interior. Retrieved 8 August 2020.
^ "Google Ngram Viewer". Google Books Ngram Viewer.

– AccordingClass (talk) 13:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Given several of the province article are titled regions they should either all be moved or none of them should. As to the name, I tend to think that it should match the city, which in English is Mecca. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:19, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Concerning "province" versus "region", all of the subdivisions of Saudi Arabia should be considered together, and all should be consistent, as stated above. Concerning "Makkah" versus "Mecca", the article should use the most common spelling in English, which is "Mecca". That should not change. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If this one is changed we change the others too for consistency. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then those others should be a part of this move request, which they are not. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 11:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to make them part of this request, but you have to admit that no one has the time to make a request for 13 names together, that's why I made it a footnote at the bottom. AccordingClass (talk) 03:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. In addition, road signage in Saudi Arabia refers to them not as regions, but as provinces. AccordingClass (talk) 03:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] "Emirate of Makkah Province". Ministry of Interior. Retrieved 8 August 2020.

[2] "Emirate of Makkah Province". Ministry of Interior. Retrieved 8 August 2020.

[3] "Google Ngram Viewer". Google Books Ngram Viewer.

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