Talk:Max Heindel

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value-laden editorializing: "Max Heindel was able to perform a valuable work for the Brothers of the Rose Cross" --- The neutrality of this article is disputed because of expressions like the following:

"upon recovery he was even more keenly awake to the needs of humanity"
"with an indomitable will and great energy, Max Heindel was able to accomplish the great work for the Brothers of the Rose Cross"
"It is described that, at his death, his body dropped slowly as if loving hands were holding him and laying him down gently" (nice, but hardly acceptable for an encyclopaedia and lacking sources)
- In his biography --Viriathus 07:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"students of the Western Wisdom Teachings who, as Invisible Helpers of mankind, assist the Elder Brothers of the Rose Cross to perform the Spiritual Healing around the world"

Besides, no controversial or "difficult" aspects of Heindel's personality are explained. The whole article sounds more like hagiography than objective information. --Jdemarcos 20:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fact the nature of a man who warns the world that "The man who realizes his ignorance has taken the first step toward knowledge" (and at the same time whispers to us simple truths such as "It is not what we give but what we share that counts"^[1]) and who takes as starting point to his writings the premise "PROVE ALL THINGS" (by Paul of Tarsus), will always be beyond our current understanding. This article, as it is to this point [2], was an attempt, with occasional help of other editors, from someone who have long been a keen ecletic student of his works and the article was the best I was able. Before attempting any edition, please give an opportunity to yourself to study the following brief words from the author: A Word to the Wise. Thank you. Regards, Adiós ;) --Viriathus 07:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^ « It is not what we give but what we share that counts. Those who give only of abundance, of the things that they have no need of--the things that are really a burden to them, the things that they do not miss at all--do not know what giving is. "The gift without the giver is bare." That is the point: unless we give ourselves, our gifts are barren. "Greater love hath no man that this, that a man lay down his life for his friend." This is not a single act of laying down the life for a friend, but it is constant daily self-sacrifice. "I was hungry and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty and ye gave me to drink . . . I was sick and ye visited me." That is the only requisite. May we learn it, friends. Neither need we seek far: it is right here. » in a Lecture, 1913

Needs Rewrite / Sections Plagiarized[edit]

The flowery language is npov and un-encyclopedic and the reason the prose reads so purplish is that much of this is cut and pasted from Manly P. Hall's fawning introduction to "Blavatsky and the Secret Doctrine." Early Infancy, for example, is the same, down to punctuation. It needs a major overhaul. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Typing monkey (talk • contribs) 17:23, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Still Jacked-Up[edit]

Aside from noted issues of NPOV, the article is in dire need of basic grammatical editing.

Estéban (talk) 12:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV and Inline Citations[edit]

I've tagged this article because of the NPOV dispute that has been around since 2006 (it takes this guy's word at face value and almost reads like an advertisement for his books/philosophy).

I've also added another notice because it has a long list of websites and books, but only four in-text citations, which would make it hard to correct the sentences (mostly pointed out above) that are really biased. — Mike J B 14:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with discussion here, Changed Magnum Opus but rewrite of entire article would be better[edit]

I agree with with the tone of this talk page that the article seems written by a true unquestioning believer in Mr. Heindel's clairvoyance and that it would be best if someone with interest in his history wrote an objective account instead. I have no knowledge on Mr. Heindel. All I was able to add to that effort was the text at the end of the section on the Magnum Opus, where I point out very serious shortcomings of said Opus, morally and scientifically, based on my own limited look through it. Adynotsuzz (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at Template:POV:

This template is not meant to be a permanent resident on any article. Remove this template whenever:

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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:46, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Journeys[edit]

How is it that there is a picture of Heindel in Argentina, and in the entry is no mention of journeys abroad? --Manfariel (talk) 16:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]