Talk:Mathieu group M11

Permutations

"can be defined by some set of permutations, such as the pair (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11), (3,7,11,8)(4,10,5,6) of permutations" doesn't make sense. (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) is the "identity permutation" on 11 elements. This is basically just one generator namely (3,7,11,8)(4,10,5,6).

2601:647:4101:1927:29A0:6634:296D:19D4 (talk) 04:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

It is using cyclic notation. (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) is not the identity but a permutation that permutes all 11 objects, 1 -> 2, 2 -> 3, etc., so a permutation of order 11.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 04:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)