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Guitar Technique[edit]

"His solos tend to target certain notes that relate to the rhythm chords played underneath his leads. He utilizes vocal-like bending techniques and Asian influenced note-bends(including rapid pre-bend, double bend,slow release and bending from an 'outside note'), rather than just hitting the target note itself. These qualities make Friedman's solos unique and hard to duplicate using an alternate picking approach"

These are incredibly general statements that do not lead up to the qualifier of Friedman's solos being "unique". In fact, these techniques are more or less ubiquitous in the world of guitar playing. Any player who chooses not to target "certain notes that relate to the rhythm chords played underneath his leads" will find himself creating a cacophony (heh) rather than music. The obvious caveat here is the world of jazz, but that's getting off topic. Bends are also extremely common. The original writer's qualifications of pre-bend, double bend et al. are all techniques part of any sufficiently advanced guitarist's wheelhouse and don't necessarily need to be mentioned. I think the original article's writer was making the mistake of comparing Marty's technique to that of a beginner rather than to comparably advanced players, which I believe would be a far more important frame of reference. As well, the original writer's opinion on how difficult Marty's solos are to recreate is irrelevant. I'm going to go ahead and remove this whole passage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.50.239 (talk) 09:32, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Picture[edit]

This is my first time posting on a discussion page, so please don't flame me or whatever if I made a mistake. I think Marty Friedman deserves a better picture, right? I could supply it, but it's the whole copyright issue which I need to verify. Could someone help me with changing the picture, since I'm unfamiliar with the procedure of finding out whether an image is copyrighted or not? Please don't refer me to an article ^_^ ! Thank you.

Darkanius 19:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discography[edit]

A discography of his solo stuff would be tight. I might do it. So this is sort of to remind me. But hey if anyone else wants to do it PLEASE FEEL FREE to. --Eel 06:30, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

there we go, discography added. thanks. --Eel 08:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I want to add the rock fujiyama cd here also, but he only plays guitar for it and produces it. how would i go about putting this in the proper place? BLT420 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

This article desperately needs an NPOV revision.

I'm a fan of Friedman. I own and enjoy Scenes, Introduction, etc. -- but this article reads like a fan letter, not an encyclopedia article.

yeah, I definitely agree to that, but I don't think I'd be the write person for the job due to my tragic love for Marty. --Eel 08:03, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon's kiss[edit]

anyone got a source on dragon's kiss being released in 1990? allmusic guide says 1988, but i hear it's prone to be mistaken. --Eel 21:33, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Metal Archives says 1988, and so does Marty's website (but it also states the CD version of the album was released in 1990, which might be where the confusion came from). I've changed it until anyone can provide a reliable source saying otherwise.


Which part of this article seems wrong? ---- Teknomancer

i have this cd and the back covers copyright says 1988, so im pretty sure its as such. BLT420 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent vibrato?[edit]

"He is also known for having excellent vibrato."

I disagree. Relative to another neo-classical player, Yngwie Malmsteen, Friedman's vibrato is rather weak. Unless anyone argues against it, I will remove this sentence in a week.

You have one example to compare him against? Mphudson 04:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • what does having excellent vibrato have to do with marty friedman's skillset anyway? oh, and here are a few examples: Joe Satriani, Gary Moore. LyTe 19:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No rock guitarist is "known for having excellent vibrato." In fact, the only guitarist in the history of Western music who has been "known for having excellent vibrato" is B.B. King. This is a rather stupid comment — particularly when you consider that vibrato requires that a note be held for some duration and Friedman, like most any metal guitarist, is specifically known for fast runs and rapid arpeggios.

In fact, the only guitarist in the history of Western music who has been "known for having excellent vibrato" is B.B. King." Now that is astupid comment, absolute rubbish indeed. In fact, it was BB King who said that "you can identify a great guitarist by his virbrato alone". I presume that this was not a purely self-referntial claim! And as for your comment: "...consider that vibrato requires that a note be held for some duration and Friedman, like most any metal guitarist, is specifically known for fast runs and rapid arpeggios." This merely reveals an ignorance about guitar technique or vibrato, or both, and it certainly evidences a limited view of what metal guitar is, and can be.Dusksailor 15:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • So true. Marty has great feel in his own eclectic way of playing, but saying he has excellent vibrato without mentioning the rest of his skillset is doing great injustice to him. he's a technical master, yes, an arpeggio wiz, true, and of course, a thrash master (eg., Dragon's Kiss). LyTe 23:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy Metal San[edit]

I'm just noting that I am altering the translation of "hebimeta-san" into the Anglofied form of Heavy Metal-San. It's what the title was intended to be, and leaving it in romaji seems counter productive as the katakana follows it. I thought I'd take this note here in case anyone has any huge problems with it. Silvanos 14:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I agree with it. The first problem is that not everyone is able to read katakana. The romanized name of the program is imo vital, since it shows to those who can't read Japanese what the program is called. The current form makes it seem as though it is called "Heavy Metal-san", while it's not called that way. It's called Hebimeta-san, with Hebimeta meaning "Heavy Metal." I think the form should be "... hebimeta-san ([katakana], hebimeta meaning heavy metal)..." Aecis Appleknocker Flophouse 19:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
anglofied? what's that? Retropunk 09:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, seems fair enough. I'll revise it as such to denote both hebimeta and heavy-metal san

Actually, with proper translation, it is "Mr. Heavy Metal". as so, i believe we should name it that, and i will create a wiki on it. BLT420 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese Fluency[edit]

I don't know how to cite the fact on his Japanese fluency. If you live in Japan, you can hear him speaking fluent Japanese quite often. Can we remove this "citation needed" request? It may be hard to imagine elsewhere but it's so obvious here...Poisonotter 13:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have to find a reliable citation that says he speaks Japanese. Unfortunately someone saying they saw or heard him doing it is considered original research and not allowed. Good luck! :) --Aguerriero (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've found two sources, from his official website though, but it's better than nothing. http://www.martyfriedman.com/info_archive_detail.php?id=6&det=74 (at Q20) and http://www.martyfriedman.com/info_detail.php?id=7 (in facts section). Found more: http://www.the-fuze.com/martyfriedman.html an interview. I'll try adding it. Grinder0-0 23:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the Japanese fluency is as interesting as determining when he became fluent in Japanese 128.113.148.163 08:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Megadeth and Discography[edit]

The section about Marty and Megadeth is only two sentences, still he was in the band for ten years, shouldn't it be expanded? His influences on the band's sound, especially on Rust in Peace is noticable (and it's concidered one of Megadeth's and thrash metal's greatest albums). And just linking to Megadeth discography does not give a real image of what albums he participated in, you have to go through one or two articles from that link to find that information. I'll try to add something, talk here! Grinder0-0 23:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so I just wrote a new piece in the new Megadeth section of his career. It's a bit sloppy and I'll come back soon and clean it up, and I'll also add a Megadeth discography section with his albums Grinder0-0 00:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention in "edit summary": Changed infobox, made clear megadeth discography, though I may change it to one without pictures instead, I don't know. Also, I rephrased the opening bit. Still to make the Megadeth section better and encyclopedic. Grinder0-0 20:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marty's Religion[edit]

The article is in the category "Jewish musicians", still there aren't any reference or official thing on his website that he is jewish. I googled his website for "jew" and "religion", founding two questions from fans that are interesting: http://www.martyfriedman.com/fans_faq_content.php?id=3596 and http://www.martyfriedman.com/fans_faq_content.php?id=2389 (strange question, but still). It seems that he wants his religion to be private, or just thinks it's fun having people wonder about it. Grinder0-0 23:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Marty is not jewish! i have found no proof on this and from what he says on Rock Fujiyama, he doesnt believe in religion at all because there is too much politics behind it. as such, i believe we need to delete this clam, until proven otherwise. BLT420 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
He played guest guitar solos for a Christian band, yes a Christian one. Tourniquet. Yes, let's delete that "clam." I think the reason someone listed him as Jewish is because Friedman is a widely-known last name particular to those of Jewish ethnicity/faith. IronCrow 19:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I looked around for this again, and found some Israeli sources that he is indeed jewish (also he has toured Israel several times it seems). However, I do not found it enough reliable, so your decision to delete the category should stay (until proven otherwise). Links: [1], [2] (ctrl-f for "marty", a very long article), he also played the israeli national anthem in Israel [3]. Grinder0-0 19:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
that just doesnt seem reliable to me. marty has played everywhere it seems, and i wouldnt doubt he has played different anthems as well. news sites always put in facts that are not true. unless there is an interview where he says he is in fact jewish, i dont believe that should be included. BLT420 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then we agree! (cause that's pretty much what i meant) Grinder0-0 12:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Here's a link with an interview with Marty while preforming in Israel, saying he's Jewish (Click the Videolink) http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3385845,00.html

now can we take off this verification thing?

Maybe he's a Messianic Jew? Who knows. I say keep him off until there's more to prove it. The interview works well, yeah, but let's just wait for more. If we can't find anything, let's stick him back into the Jewish catagory. IronCrow 02:01, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Could you please tell me what works better than an interview in which he himself states he is Jewish and was raised Jewish? I couldn't care less either way; I just think it's more somewhat faulty logic.[reply]
I watched the video and I can confirm that he says that he is jewish was raised as an orthodox jew. Looked into this again after an IP readded the Jewish musicians category. Grinder0-0 12:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Nevermind. I really should look at the timestamps. :/ --79.64.234.155 (talk) 01:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Info Box Picture[edit]

I emailed Marty's website manager for promission to use one of his images as the main picuture for the article. This article has not had a stable picture for a long time. If you have or know of any please add it!!Adumbvoget 18:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that the new image is created by User:Blt024. So when it gets deleted, we still need a new one. Someone here must have been on a concert and taken his photo, contribute! Grinder0-0 15:46, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
156.34.226.76 keeps taking down my picture, no matter what lincence i put it under, even though i believe its correct, if anybody can help, put a proper lincence on it so 156.34.226.76 doesnt erase it again [[File:Martyfriedmanlive.jpg]] Blt024 06:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That editor erased it, because he/she does not believe that you took it yourself. It would really help if you could specify where you found it, or where and when you took it. A lot of people upload images that under a wrong license, for instance they pretend like it's a picture they took themselves when in fact they found it on a website somewhere. Wikipedia takes copyright problems very seriously and we really want to make sure that an image has the right license.--JoanneB 09:31, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank, as always, JoanneB for your intervention. You didn't have to be "Laura Secord" this time :). Everyone wants to have a good image in the article. But Wikipedia policies should not be sidestpped just to get one in there. It's a goodpicture. If it would just be sourced and licensed honestly with a proper fair-use rationale it would be a good addition. 156.34.142.110 14:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, try solving your disputes, before try making any more images. Grinder0-0 13:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
yes, i will not upload any more picture that are not identified properly. sorry for that whole hassle. BLT420 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute/revert[edit]

I noticed the article's been messed up since last time i checked it. User:Blt024, you edited the article to a more worse state than before, for some reason you thought that his favourite bands should be put under "Carreer". You also deleted the recent activity section, merging it with japanese life, without rephrasing it, making a lot of short sentences which were confusing, and I do not see a improvement in making that. If you disagree please write here signing you comment before making any drastic edits. Thank you. Grinder0-0 13:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

im sorry about that, but i do not believe that the info should be under "recent activity", as all of his current life is in Japan. i believe the article contradicts themselves, thus i combined them together and added more info. we need to come together to make a new plan for this wiki because i dont believe it to be accurate, sorry! BLT420 09:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I'm glad you want to make something useful. This article is a bit contradicting yeah, especially about his japanese history (in sections "japanese life" and "recent activity"), but I don't know a lot about just that, so I'm a bit cautious about editing there. Those sections are also not chronological (mentions one thing he did in 2007, then something he did in 2004 etc.). The part which describes his style is written in an unclear way too. The article also lacks references in some places, which shouldn't be too hard to find. We need, for example, refs about when he became active and famous in Japan and if he's really jewish (which I've tried to find but no luck).
To find refences, the easiest way is to search on google or yahoo etc. for "marty friedman", or "marty friedman interview", as it will probably lead you to a lot of information about something. Be careful with what references you choose though, they have to be reliable, so having lots of refs from a random fan site or a non professional website is not really preferable. What you should know is wikipedia original research policy and about references.
If you want to add references, look at how I added the existing ones, and you can either put the new ones in as external links, or click at "edit this page" and look at the code for the reference to see how to place it. If you're not sure it will turn out correct, preview the page instead of saving it, it will enable you to tweak your edit without making a lot of small ones. I'm gonna try to fix the parts I mentioned, if I have enough time. We can cooperate in making it better, so make some edits and I'll check them afterwards ok! If you have other questions ask me or see WP:HELP Grinder0-0 10:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rolly[edit]

yes i believe he should be as an aff. because he is always playing with marty in japan. they really are never separated and are really good friends elsewise. rolly was also a co-host for Rock Fujiyama. BLT420 04:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Fake Marty Friedman album article[edit]

I don't know who did this, but someone posted an obviously fake Marty Friedman album article. I put something about it on the discussion page there, but no one responded. I'm not sure of the proper procedure for removing an article. Here is the link: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedman_of_the_Opera>69.225.95.125 (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like the article has now been deleted; thanks.69.225.95.125 (talk) 06:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Virtuoso?[edit]

I do not believe that Marty Friedman should be considered a virtuoso. He can play fast, and incredibly well, but a guitar virtuoso should be someone who brings something new and different to the guitar that hasn't been done before. If you argue against this, then could I at least get a reference to something he does that sounds different? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.252.146.39 (talk) 04:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary IMO. The definition of virtuoso is "A person (especially a musician) with masterly ability, technique, or personal style". By your own admission he plays "fast and incredibly well", which appears to be synonymous with "masterly ability and technique". Innovation is not required to be a virtuoso. Many classical musicians are considered "virtuosos" yet their very nature is often un-innovative (most spend their careers playing music they did not write and being directed by another person in the manner of their playing). 206.28.38.227 (talk) 17:30, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marty Friedman is definitely a virtuoso with plenty of technique. He is one of those guys up in the pantheon like Vinnie Moore, Eddie Van Halen or Yngwie J. Malmsteen. All you have to do is listen to Cacophony.

ICE77 (talk) 05:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 12:18, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marty Friedman (musician) → Marty Friedman – Primary topic. Page views: musician, basketball. Disambiguation page can be replaced with a hatnote. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 01:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment we should keep the disambiguation page around. It'd make a large hatnote with other spellings so is best served by a disambiguation page. -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 02:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Dec. 2012, "out came an album"... really?[edit]

?whats next, "the itsy-bitsy spider went up the water spout"? i'll be hacking away at this article in my free time; just announcing my appearance, Marty deserves better~ one thing i won't touch for now but SURELY needs some consideration, in the lead: "...Jewish guitarist..." :it's IDIOTIC and maybe even somewhat rude to name a religion in the first sentence like that, unless Marty actually goes around wearing t-shirts with glitter letters proclaiming "I AM JEWISH" everywhere he goes! (even then, i still think its out of place in the lead sentence!)... why don't we then go to Jimi Hendrix' article and add he's a "black" guitarist to the lead sentence? Or Van Halen's article and add he's a "catholic" guitarist? (i just made that up; i don't know if he is or not, but it STILL would be out of place in the lead!) my point: the lead is to describe what the person is famous/known for/as; is Marty famous as a Jew? Is being "Jewish" something which Marty is known for at all? i know the answer already: "NO!" ...you'll see me around here again over the next few days, but right now i'm gonna go change my account name to "Jewish editor Japanglish"...(not) Japanglish (talk) 01:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Discography with Hawaii and Shout not listed[edit]

Many albums are listed but not the ones with Hawaii and Shout (5 for each). ICE77 (talk) 05:39, 8 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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