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End of the story[edit]

She was Thomas Becket's sister. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.10.131.184 (talk) 13:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Mary of France or Marie de Barking?[edit]

I hope so that Marie de France is Saint Thomas Beckett'sister, Mary of Barking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.200.65.82 (talk) 16:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Language[edit]

This article says she wrote in continental Old French which was transcribed by Anglo-Norman scribes, but other articles (The Lais of Marie de France, Guigemar) say that the poems were "written" in Anglo-Norman. The introduction to my GF-Flammarion edition of the Lais says explicitly, "elle écrit en anglo-normand". Widsith (talk) 15:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This particular sentence is based on obsolete scholarship. The scholarly consensus is that Marie indeed wrote in Anglo-Norman, as the above quoted articles state. I am revising the offending sentence. 199.79.168.163 (talk) 14:39, 22 April 2009 (UTC)Airship[reply]

Marie, possible illegitimate sister to Henry II and member of his Norman court, declared in her poem, Ysopet, that she was from France. However, just exactly where and what she meant by “France,” is ambiguously hard to pin down. It’s an understandable presumption that her poems would have first been written in Old French, particularly considering how little has been actually recorded about her, despite her literary contributions. Further, perhaps because she studied Latin and French, translating some of her “Breton lais” into French, the error conceivably occurred. However, more significantly, the force and influence of her words and the mystique surrounding her person, seem to be alive and well. There is a wealth of information, articles and listings about Marie de France on line, including: a Marie de France Society: http://www.people.vcu.edu/~cmarecha/ She also has a blog: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lais_of_Marie_de_France And despite how little is known of her, here’s one of her biographies: http://www.yourdictionary.com/biography/marie-de-france

She arguably could be called, for better or worse, one of the earliest feminists, far ahead of the feminist movements which sprung up in the 19th century. The Norman invasion of England crippled the rights of women who were described as having a “Golden Age” before that time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_England. Married women in France http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights#The_Middle_Ages weren’t on equal footing with men legally until 1965. Many women gave many things and Marie of France, with her unconventional views on the roles of women, had her own ideas and an articulate voice which remains today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jesakura (talk • contribs) 15:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Page Proposal[edit]

We are working on a project for our English Literature class at the State University at New Paltz on the influential poet, Marie de France. Our project is to edit an existing page by adding more information about the poet. For Marie de France we will be adding a few sections of controversies about her, her influence on literature and how each of her lais shows us the idea of romance and the progression of romance through lust to the love for God and how women are usually vilified as well as also glorified. If you have any questions contact us, our usernames are JaimieMag, Christilee22, MPignataro. You can also contact our professor, RedCKnight.JaimieMag (talk) 00:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to our classmate's contribution, we also wish to expand on the existing page dedicated to Marie de France. We also hope to improve on the information presented while including insight to the time period. With so little information available we are researching other influential people of the time, her influences, and also exploring her lais and fables. It is our hope that anyone seeking information on her will have a more informative place to begin further research on this mysterious poet. If there are any concerns or questions regarding our plans to expand this page, feel free to contact us. Our usernames are Lyss33, Tar143, and Comedianne. Our professor, RedCKnight, may also be contacted if necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Comedianne (talk • contribs) 16:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the project; I agree that Marie de France needs some expansion. Some pointers: I think it would be a good idea if you all started doing edit summaries to let people know what you're doing. Also, once or twice I have reverted or changed the lead, since I have an interest in at least keeping the lead not so much a construction zone; for what is proper and what isn't, please see WP:LEAD. To whoever cites Kibler: please see WP:CITE, but that goes for all editors: we don't need twenty footnotes citing Burgess fully, MLA-style, when we have a bibliography and "Burgess 28" suffices. Finally, please note that this is encyclopedic writing, and that the US essay style is not entirely appropriate. No second person; no developing of arguments; no fun. Seriously! ;) All the best, Drmies (talk) 14:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Women in the Middle Ages[edit]

I am removing the section "Women in the Middle Ages", partially because it reads like something from a not very good school essay (e.g. "Her works were not just some rubbish written down, they were good stories that an average person could not just come up with randomly."), and partially because Wikipedia already has an article on Women in the Middle Ages. There's no need to cram a summary of the subject into an article about a specific person, especially since this section says nothing about Marie de France herself that isn't stated elsewhere in the article. CKarnstein (talk) 21:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

France[edit]

Something difficult to understand by foreigners. France is a modern nation, that can't be identify to an ethny in the French meaning of the word. It was not the case in the middle-ages. Nobody today would call "Englishman" a Scotsman. It was the same thing in the mainland of the Plantagenets and later until the end of the Middle Ages. France meant Île-de-France and French "François" was an inhabitant of Île-de-France. A sentence among others in Chanson de Roland is absolutly significant about it : "Baivier e Saisne sunt alet à cunseill, e Peitevin e Norman e Franceis; asez i as Alemans e Tiedeis." (Saxons et Bavarians came and hold a meeting, with the Poitevins (people from Poitou), the Normans and the French people. the Alemannic people and the Lorraine (or Flemish) people were numerous too. With the same logic, if such people were present, it could have been written Bretons, Angevins, Gascons, etc. too.

The "French" language was called Romanz (Romance): cf. Wace : "Se l'on demande qui ço dist,qui ceste estoire en romanz fist, jo di e dirai que jo sui Wace de l'isle de Gersui" (if we ask who wrote this story in "French", I say and I will say I am Wace from Jersey). If Marie de France wrote she was from France : it probably means that she was from Ile-de-France. Nortmannus (talk) 16:04, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedited[edit]

Richard asr (talk) 11:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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