Talk:Mariane Pearl

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Biography[edit]

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Mariane Pearl is indeed the widow of a famous person. She is also a journalist in her own right. However, how she had endured, survived, and suceeded following the kidnapping and brutal decaptitation of her husband, ten days before the birth of their only child, does merit her bio being included in Wikipedia.

I do not know personally Mariane Pearl. But, from research I have conducted concerning her life, I can attest that Ms. Pearl is a woman and a journalist, of profound moral and spiritual courage. Her story doesn't only deserve to be told and shared in this forum, it needs to be told.

To delete it would be to delete a valuable part of our contemporary history. "To forget history dooms us to repeat it." We cannot forget this part of history. Gd forbid it should be repeated. 63.214.55.226 (talk · contribs) 17:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Her bio is missing educational information. It says she is a journalist. Surely she must have some training. It would be noteworthy if she did not. Auchansa (talk) 04:04, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Cuban ancestry[edit]

Although it's not included in the article directly, the quote we have sourced from the film director director in Salon about her having "a quarter Chinese" ancestry is apparently in error. Reading this article she wrote about her mother and the quote from her memoir in this Washington Post article, it's clear that her Chinese Cuban ancestor is her mother's father's father, i.e. a great-grandparent, of which we all of course have eight.--Pharos 07:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

These are good references. I used them in Mariane Pearl and A Mighty Heart (film) and recalculated the fractions where they had been specified in the latter. — Athaenara ✉ 00:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be 100% clear I got this from statements she makes about her mother in the Glamour article "She [her mother] grew up with a father who was a handsome mix of Cuban and Chinese…" and the quote from her memoir with is included in the Washington Post story (I don't have access to the book to check but I'm sure the Post is reliable) "She [her mother] was colored, and she had a Chinese grandfather."--Pharos 05:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, it is my understanding that her father's family were Dutch Jews. Her mother's family were non-Jewish Afro-Cuban, with the exception of a sole maternal relative, possibly
  • a Chinese great grandfather
  • a Chinese grandfather
  • an Afro-Cuban Chinese grandfather
  • an Afro-Cuban Chinese great-grandfather.
Her mother's father could not have been both Chinese AND Afro-Cuban Chinese. Instead, it seems that her maternal grandfather was Afro-Cuban Chinese, and her maternal grandmother was Afro-Cuban. So, Mariane is at most 1/8 Chinese, although she might only be 1/16 Chinese. The article should reflect that.--FeralOink (talk) 18:31, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category[edit]

I removed the category Afro-Caucasian from this category as I believe it is pure original research. We have "Dutch-Jewish, Afro-Latino-Cuban and Chinese Cuban ancestry" in the article. I see nothing in the references cited to justify the notability of this category; I don't see how we can go from "his Dutch-Cuban-French wife" or "My mother’s story began in a tiny emerald-green house in a poor neighborhood on the outskirts of Havana. She grew up with a father who was a handsome mix of Cuban and Chinese" to saying the subject was Afro-Caucasian. I have African origins, as do all human beings, but I would not call myself Afro-Caucasian. How many generations should we go back, how small a proportion of an ethnic ancestry and how slim the evidence of coverage counts as belonging to this category? However as two editors have placed the cat I will not edit war over it but invite discussion here. --John (talk) 04:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You never give up, do you ? ;) Well, since miscenegation is an important topic, I don't see why people wouldn't want to be informed about it. Apparently, you don't have a problem with her being "Dutch-French" or "Chinese-French". Actually, she is Afro-Caucaso-Asian, but this category has yet to be created. :) Ms Pearl's "African heritage" is relevant, since it sparked controversy about Angelina Jolie being cast in her part, so the category is justified. I've just added a reference. Cheers, Wedineinheck (talk) 13:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There were several weeks of edit warring last year when a few single-purpose accounts were adding that Orville Lloyd Douglas piece, which does not have its facts quite straight, to the article about the Mighty Heart film. Some of that spilled over on this blp and the article about the Mighty Heart book.
This subject's racial and cultural heritage and background are well-referenced with inline citations of more reliable sources. — Athaenara ✉ 15:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

She not is a jew[edit]

Jews = jewish mother only; she´s father was jew, because not the mother!! she´s not have jewish mtdna and not is a biological jewish!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.71.54.68 (talk) 03:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are correct. Mariane's father was Jewish. Mariane's mother was not Jewish. Mariane is not Jewish. Daniel Pearl was Jewish, but it is unknown whether his son converted to Judaism or was raised in Mariane's Buddhist faith. The article now accurately reflects all of these facts. Thank you for your comment.--FeralOink (talk) 18:12, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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