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Wording of Schwuler translation[edit]

The wording is fine, Mdd4696. --Der Sporkmeister 01:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't think "faggot" is the correct translation of "Schwuler". Schwuler has much less negative vibe to it compared to faggot. the correct translation would be "gay man"... The German translation of fag would be "homo."

The correct word for fag would be "schwuchtel", not homo...

"Schwuchtel" is the correct translation but clearly the way he screams "Schwuler" and the "aaaaaah" after it has negative connotation so faggot would be apropriate. 87.178.106.199 16:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um...Lindemann screams everything. That doesn't mean all of Rammstein's lyrics mean "faggot"....184.155.130.147 (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, he screams rather "schwuler", not "schwulah". Germans just pronounce ending -er like long -aaa. I don't know if in original text on the disc the authors wrote "schwulah", but if not, this section in article should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.29.204.64 (talk) 10:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is far from the truth to interpret a negative conotation into his pronounciation. I am a native speaker and can assure you that ALL words ending in 'er' are pronounced more like 'a', especially if you are shouting or screaming them. You simply can't put any meaning into his pronouncing the words the same way everybody else does in germany (not taking into account local dialects and accents). The same way as 'f' and 'v' are almost always pronounced in the same way in german, words ending in 'er' are usually pronounced like 'a'.Larzan (talk) 09:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the nonsense. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 17:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Orientation[edit]

"however all band members are heterosexual." Oh yeah, after seeing the video, there can be no doubt about that. Shawnc 02:36, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have heard about the concept of acting? you know, all those people in "Schindler's List" weren't Nazis...

I can see the point of the video and song being also critical of homophobia. why are not people critical of lesbianism as they are of gay men? That demon is the homosexual urge perhaps? Being a 100% heterosexual male, I find homophobic men to be extremely annoying. Also, this video did not offend me, but I did not find it entertaining either. Bold is what I think of Rammstein... and no question they are heterosexuals. Nude men only make me think of the days of the military showers; the rush in to get hot water before the cold runs out and laughing at the saps that had small williys that waited for everyone to leave so they could shower alone, in cold to room temp water.

I guess this song is the ultimate argument to say that Rammstein is not a Nazi band at all. The idea, the lyrics, everything is good about the song. The clip is funny, even if it could have been better if it was rather denouncing. --DarkJin 22:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

At first, I thought this song was hostile toward homosexuals, and I´m still not totally sure about it, but I think I was (more or less) wrong. And Rammstein aren´t Nazis, in my opinion. (Sorry, if there are grammar mistakes, my native tongue is German). --195.3.113.55 10:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite sure this song is not hostile at all against homosexuality. When Paul Landers was interviewed about the album, he said something like "Mann gegen Mann" was made to make German people more openmind. And it is not an opinion that Rammstein are Nazis or not, it is just a f***ing rumor, let's not mind it. And... about your English... I can't judge you, it's not my first language either, as I'm from France. :-) --DarkJin 18:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just laugh at this whole thing, i kinda just think its a joke honestly. i wonder what those columbine kids would do if they were still alive and they saw this...

Rammstein has many songs with no lyrical meaning, and nonsensical stage performances. They actively do not discuss politics nor religion. If anything, their message is simply counter-culture. However, at the same time, they are proud Germans. Very proud. Yet certainly not Nazis. In fact, that is probably their real message. It is OK to be German. You do not have to apologize about the Nazis forever. They are also considered by many of their German fans as Germany's only comedy group. If anyone knows anything about Germans, is that we are not funny. Very logical and direct. But lacking in humor. Where an American sees them as Nazis AND homosexual, and morbid, etc., Rammstein is considered simply very funny to Germans. Their "show" is not serious. Be the topic about gays, beating children, or eating penises for dinner. It is just humor, art, whatever you will. But the music style is German. 184.155.130.147 (talk) 19:32, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Okay[edit]

Firstly, the band members are all straight..secondly, im not sure on the bandmembers, but the so called mass of naked bodybuilders...they arent all naked, at least 3 are wearing some form of underwear..maybe someone would like the change the description of the video? (btw..the song is one of their best ever) Fethroesforia 01:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the bodybuilders are wearing cocksocks, but the camera tries to hide it. That's standard operating procedure in Hollywood. 99.227.60.214 (talk) 06:36, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since when did Rammstein move production to Hollywood???184.155.130.147 (talk) 19:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nudity[edit]

the bandmenbers, as well as the models/acters in the wrestling scenes are wearing body-coloured speedos. you can most definetely see this in a shot where the bass player is in the background, while the singer is foreground, and he moves his bass aside. also, in the frantic wresting towards the end, you get a "rear shot" of one of the models, and can see his thong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeABREU (talk • contribs) 12:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]