Talk:Mae Muller

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Mae Muller article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Musicians

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Musicians (assessed as Low-importance).

Pop music Low‑importance

	Pop music portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pop music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles related to pop music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Pop musicWikipedia:WikiProject Pop musicTemplate:WikiProject Pop musicPop music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles

Women in Music Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women in Music, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women in music on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women in MusicWikipedia:WikiProject Women in MusicTemplate:WikiProject Women in MusicWomen in music articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Remove last line please[edit]

Can someone please remove the line about hating the UK? Seems to be an obvious troll addition. And it's not even presented grammatically correctly. 148.252.141.235 (talk) 22:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, removed. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 22:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just 24 points[edit]

According to User:Meena, "just 24 points" is "is leading language." Sweden's winning score was 583 points. So "just 24" seems to be a perfectly appropriate way of describing that result. Similarly with "the song finished in 25th place" - yes, 25th out of 26. Muller was second from last above Germany. That's a simple fact and is in fact more descriptive. Why does this article have to try and cover up what was a truly abysmal result for the UK? 86.184.26.97 (talk) 16:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is leading language. We are here to have a neutral point of view. Stating "just 24 points" insinuates that 24 is low - 24 is low - but Wikipedia articles must be neutral and not lean either way of the opinion. "24 points" is a factual statement, which is what Wikipedia meant to be the home of. – Meena • 17:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How would anyone know "24 is low" without knowing what the other extracts scored (especially the winner)? What do other editors think of this? And by the way, the headline in that BBC source is "Mae Muller: Why did the UK do so badly at Eurovision?" Badly. Pretty clear. 86.184.26.97 (talk) 17:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Just 24 points" suggests that it is low/inadequate, whereas "24 points" is simply facts, so I'd recommend just stating "24". If there are sources stating that 24 was seen as a low score, it can go in reception. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is leading language. It is not for us to imply whether 24 points is low or not, we state the facts and the fact is it was 24 points, that's it. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 17:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

24 points is low. That's a fact. It might be better to say "a very low score of 24 compared to the winning entry's 583". 86.184.26.97 (talk) 17:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's even more leading. – Meena • 17:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's a fact. Have you looked at the spread of final scores? How can the UK and Germany scores be anything other than "very low"? 86.184.26.97 (talk) 17:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to brush up on your 'facts' - 24 is a fact, describing a score as low or high does not WP:NPOV guidelines. – Meena • 17:42, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I think you need to brush up on your normal use of English. 86.184.26.97 (talk) 17:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chapter 1[edit]

Under the "Compilation" section, it is then sub titled underneath, "Studio albums". I was a fan of Mae Muller prior to Eurovision. Chapter 1 was her first album, but, I can only assume, as a PR move, they decided to brand Chapter 1 as a compilation - to make way for her Universal release, Sorry I'm Late. (which is odd for an artist to release a compilation before apparently even releasing a studio album.) But whoever made that addition forgot to remove the Studio album sub title from the discography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.66.140.131 (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]