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A fact from MacHeths appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 May 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the MacHeths were a Gaelic kindred who raised several rebellions against the Scotto-Norman kings of Scotland in the 12th and 13th centuries?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/May.

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There seems to be a curious mix of anglicised and Old Irish spellings here... for example, shouldn't MacHeth be Mac Aedh (with accent) in most cases? --MacRusgail 18:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is, but that's what the so-and-sos who write books did. "MacHeth", as a name for these folks, has a long pedigree. Somebody (probably Barrow, but I can't find the quote or it would be in the article) described the identity of "Malcolm MacHeth" as "the most important unsolved problem in Medieval Scots history". For the MacWilliams, the meic Uilleim name is used by Oram, as is meic Máel Coluim, but meic Áed[h]a or mac Áed[h]a are not (well, probably not, David I has a bloody awful index). So we have Máel Coluim mac Alisdair and Máel Coluim mac Uilleim but Máel Coluim MacHeth. Oram's Domination and Lordship should cover this directly. If he uses a Gaeliform name there I'll change this. Supposed to be published on the first of June. I'd better order one. It'll probably all need revised anyway in light of whatever he says. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

John of Fordun writes, circa 1360:[edit]

"Now all the people took Malcolm, a boy of thirteen-a son of Henry, earl of Northumberland and Huntingdon, who was the son of King David himself and made him king at Scone, in the room of his grandfather David; of whom it may truly be said: "Prosperity abideth with their seed; their grandchildren are an holy heritage." His brother William had the earldom of Northumberland in possession, while the earldom of Huntingdon was subject unto his youngest brother David, as will be seen below. No unworthy successor of David, king of Scots, was Malcolm, the eldest of his grandsons. For, treading in that king's steps in many good points, and even gloriously outdoing him in some, he shone like a heavenly star in the midst of his people. In the first year of his reign, Sumerled, kinglet of Argyll, and his nephews the sons of Malcolm Macheth, to wit-being joined by a great many, rose against their king, Malcolm, and disturbed and troubled great part of Scotland. Now that Malcolm was the son of Macheth; but he lied and said he was the son of Angus, earl of Moray, who, in the time of King David of happy memory, was, with all his men, slain by the Scots at Strucathroch (Strickathrow in Forfar), while he was plundering the country. Upon his death, this Malcolm Macheth rose against King David, as it were a son who would avenge his father's death; and while plundering and spoiling the surrounding districts of Scotland, he was at length taken, and thrust, by that same King David, into close confinement in the keep of Marchmont Castle. So Sumerled kept up the civil war; but his nephew, Donald, one of Malcolm Macheth's sons, was taken prisoner, at Withterne (Whithorn), by some of King Malcolm's friends, and imprisoned in that same keep of Marchmont, with his father. The year after this Donald was taken, his father Malcolm made peace with the king, while Sumerled still wickedly wrought his wickedness among the people." 2605:A601:A715:9A00:185B:F542:9E63:2414 (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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U1130.4 A battle between the men of Scotland and the men of Moray in which four thousand of the men of Moray fell with their king .i. Aengus son of the daughter of Lulach; a thousand, or a hundred, which is more accurate, of the men of Scotland fell in a counter-attack. 2605:A601:A715:9A00:185B:F542:9E63:2414 (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]