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ARE they a 'Ndrangheta organization?[edit]

also known as the Luppino-Violi crime family,[1] is a 'Ndrangheta organization based in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

Well, they are mobsters, but who said they were 'Ndrangheta? I was researching this to confirm, but was unable to find a reliable source to confirm that. Your thoughts on this @User:Vaselineeeeeeee?

Peter K Burian (talk) 15:58, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Peter. Well, it is known they originated from Calabria and that Giacomo sat on the Camera di Controllo, a 'Ndrangheta board, so I think it's safe to say they are a 'Ndrangheta organization. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 17:12, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I’m with Peter... because of this new information on the Violi’s some mob researchers are asking that very question. For instance one asks:

“At what point do we have a serious discussion about whether the crime groups alleged to be 'ndrangheta in Hamilton, as well as surrounding cities and towns, are actually crews or a branch of an American La Cosa Nostra group?“

An example he brings up is Paolo Violi and Vic Controni. Both men were made in the Bonanno family despite their Calabrian ancestry. By most accounts Giacomo Luppino was made in the Buffalo family, answered to Magaddino and served as his Hamilton captain. Several other members of the Luppino family are known to be made in Buffalo. BuffCity (talk) 03:30, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Giacomo Luppino a Capo in Buffalo Family & Iced Kindle Version[edit]

I encourage you to look at the Kindle Version the material in question was directly copied from that electronic version of the book.

I did go to Google books and searched Iced for the word aubbocatos as you did, and it did not come up in my search. I can’t help but wonder if that is because the search tool will only find words that are part of the limited preview when the Google version of the book is not owned by the person doing the search.

Does anyone else have the Kindle Version of this book that can verify the following information about Giacomo being a Buffalo Capo and Here are the exact quotes and Kindle locations:

“...the organization Luppinos set up in Ontario reflected the structure, rules, and codes of the ’Ndrangheta. He was the capo decina of the Hamilton wing of the Magaddino Family, but was also in charge of decinas in other regions of Ontario.”

“Luppino became the capo di tutti capi over all of Magaddino’s branches in Ontario, putting him in charge of decinas operating in such aubbocatos as Hamilton, Guelph, Oakville, and Toronto.”

Kindle Locations 9770-9780 BuffCity (talk) 03:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's easier to use Google Books. I think there was a misunderstanding between the Canadian Organized Crime book and the Iced book. The book with this info is Canadian Organized Crime https://books.google.ca/books?id=y0hBDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=aubbocatos&f=false. I still removed the part about the "aubbocatos" because after several searches, including in Italian, I cannot find any material which uses such a word. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking into this and reverting back to my edit. I don't know about the new Canadian Organized Crime book because I don't own it, but the aubbocatos is definitely in the book Iced: The Story of Organized Crime second edition published in 2016. I do own the kindle version of that book. May I ask if you own the Google Book version of Iced & or the newer book Canadian Organized Crime on Scholars press you referenced? I'd like to know if the word doesn't come up because Google books only gives a limited preview to those who don't own their version of the book.

My wife will probably kill me, but I'm thinking of buying the Google version to see if I can produce a hit on that word if I own the book. Let me know if you do own the Google versions so I don't have to spend the money.

I wish there was a way to send screen shots so you can see I'm not making it up--LOL. Anyway, Vaselineeeeeee I appreciate all the work you've done to update these Buffalo & Canadian crime family pages, so don't think I'm complaining. Kudos to you! BuffCity (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I knew you didn't make it up given your involvement in this topic for some time now, I just can't see the Kindle version - a direct link will always be better for the reader. The thing about books is that some may be biased or use lingo only the single author has come across which may not be used often. I think we saw that with Ronald Fino a while back at the Buffalo crime family page. I think both of these books here are reliable, but since they were both written by the same author, Schneider, he will use some of the same lingo, including "aubbocatos". We can see "aubbocatos" gets a hit at Canadian Organized Crime https://books.google.ca/books?id=y0hBDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=aubbocatos&f=false but not Iced https://books.google.ca/books?id=ZO8jKSn25DAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=aubbocatos&f=false. It is probably for the reason you stated, in that not every page is visible. I wouldn't doubt Iced uses "aubbocatos", given it is the same author as I said. I don't own either of the books, I just go from the preview pages available. I don't think it's necessary for you to buy the book, but it may give some other info besides that, like the "three dons" in Ontario. I could inquire to a Sicilian I know on Wikipedia to see if this term has actual meaning. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]