Talk:Low German house

Words needed[edit]

German	English	description
Auflanger	futtock/curved timbers that form "rib-like" architectural features	-
Aufschiebling	arris fillet or tilting fillet (D)	-
Dachfirst	ridge (D,L,CC), crest (CC) or roof ridge (L)	-
Dachtraufe	eaves (D), gutter (L,CC)	-
Dachsparren	rafter (D,L,CC)	-
Deckenbalken	ceiling beam (D,L,CC) o. joist (L,D), main beam (D), tie beam (?)	-
Deele, Diele	hall (D,L,CC), vestibule (CC)	central threshing floor (Di); working space in traditional german houses, later lobby in modern houses.
Dreschen	threshing (L,CC)	done in the Diele during winter
Flechtwerk	wattle and daub (L), wattle (C)
Flett	central open hearth (Di), open kitchen	space with the hearth, may be related to the cross passage in english hall houses.
Hille, Hiehle	hayloft, loft	A store room above the livestock stalls in some types of farmhouse, see Dachboden
Hürden	fold (L), pen (L), hurdling (?), fold yard (?) yes, possibly for sheep?
Kopfband	brace	dict.cc gives various terms: brace, racker, strut, tie, knee brace, upper strut, angle brace tie, shoulder tree strap
Krüppelwalmdach	hipped-gable roof (D)	(not dutch gable)
Kübbung	side area (L), side bay (?)	side area under the eaves of a Lower Saxon farmhouse (L); side aisles normally for the animals; stables for the cattle (Di)
Pfosten	post, pillar	vertical wooden beam. Base may be buried in the ground. According to Ching, posts are generally wooden, pillars generally stone or brick.
Reetdach	roof thatched with reed (L), thatched roof (CC)	literally: reed roof --we would say Thatched roof, I think
Satteldach	gabled roof (CC), saddleback roof (L), gable roof (D)	dict.cc gives various terms: gabled, pitched, ridged, saddle, saddleback, span and double-pitched roof. Duden also gives: 'saddle roof' and 'saddleback roof'.
Schwibbogen	flying buttress (L,CC) candle arch (CC) diaphragm arch (de wiki)	upper arched part of a niche (here above the oven); both flying buttress and candle arch appear to be wrong. This is not a supporting, lean to structure but a sort of self-supporting vaulted roof to an oven constructed of bricks.
Sparrendach	rafter roof (D,CC), couple roof (CC), rafters	-
Ständer	upright (Di, L), post (CC), pillar (CC)	principal vertical wooden part. Base not buried in the ground ! But post is wooden, and pillar is normally brick or stone
Ständerbauweise	post(-and-beam) construction	The principal load-carrying posts are inside the structure, not on the outer walls in contrast maybe to box-framing.
Walmdach	hip or hipped roof (D,L), hip roof (CC)	-
Wohnstallhaus	byre-dwelling
Dreiständerhaus	three-post house	maybe leave the German word and add a simple explanation
Vierständerhaus	four-post house	maybe leave the German word and add a simple explanation
Zweiständerhaus	two-post house	maybe leave the German word and add a simple explanation

Key to sources: D = Duden (cross-referenced between English and German Bildwörterbuch), Di = Dickinson's "Germany", L = Langenscheidt Muret-Sanders dictionary, CC = www.dict.cc

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Niedersachsenhaus[edit]

@Bermicourt: Niedersachsen = "Lower Saxony"; "niedersächsisches" would be "Low Saxon" - see entry below

I'm a native speaker of both German and Low Saxon. Niedersachsen in this case does not refer to the territory Niedersachsen, but is the plural of Niedersachse, a person of the Low Saxon people. So technically it's Low Saxons' house, but that kinda sounds odd to me. --::Slomox:: >< 12:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your advice. What you say makes sense - I guess there's no way we English speakers could tell from the spelling whether it means the state or the people. I accept you are right, but does this mean that the last one in the list - Westfalenhaus (Westphalian house) - is also correct because it refers to die Westfalen i.e. the Westphalians and not das Westfalen or Westphalia? --Bermicourt (talk) 13:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I (being a native german from Mecklenburg) would say so. Since german states and historical names often bare similiarities one (even us `Krauts´) can get into trouble deriving those original meanings right. Niedersachsen should refer more to the so-called `Reichskreis´, than any territorial form of a state.--85.183.156.182 (talk) 18:57, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My sense is that whether the German word refers to the territory or the people, we would still use the adjective. I can't think of English examples where we use "Fooians' " rather than "Fooish". And the literature uses "Low Saxon House" rather than "Low Saxons' House". Ditto with "Westphalian House" as far as I can tell from google books. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Bermicourt, best bet is to ask for help on this from the architecture project. It may be a German style house (there is also a similar structure in Swaben), but the archies will know what to make of this. Auntieruth55 (talk) 01:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 01:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 22:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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