Talk:Lothlórien

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Location of article[edit]

This issue has been gnawing at me for some time, so unless anyone has any strong objections, I am going to move this page to Lothlórien, and change all redirects there, leaving the disambiguation link at the top of the page and have Lothlorien (disambiguation) be the location of the disambiguation page (since this is clearly the correct location, given that Tolkien's work is by far the dominant usage of the term Lothlórien). Lothlórien should be chosen over Lórien because both receive nearly equal usage in the book, but Lórien can be confused with the Vala Irmo, or his realm in Aman. Irongargoyle 17:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caras Galadhon's Location in the site[edit]

Hi! I'm a somewhat new editor in Wikipedia and I would really like to help making an improvement in some Tolkien-related pages, including Caras Galadhon.

Concerning the merging of Caras Galadhon with Lothlórien because of its small size, I strongly disagree with it, because although it is a part of that environment, the elven city has several characteristics that can be developed and can make the page appealing to whoever may read it in the future.

Mostly, I would like to enlarge the page in the parts related to its history before Galadriel's control (concerning Amroth) and during the Third Age until the moment when the Fellowship of the Ring enters it, together with some interesting facts about Tolkien linguistics.

Please say anything to approve (or disapprove) my idea. Thanks. Superlost (talk) 01:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the word[edit]

Did Tolkien invent the word Lothlorien? What's the origin of it? When searching for Lothlorien we're directly sent to this page. There's also a link for a song by Enya. So that's it? Doesn't it have a historical origin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.69.131.228 (talk) 18:10, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 22:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for taking this on. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:52, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Link Misty Mountains in the lead, since the merger failed?

Done.

Also, with the links, this one will require some paying attention. For instance, Galadriel and Celeborn redirect to the same article; Celeborn isn't anchored to a section either, so they both just take you to the top of the page.

Fixed.

Caras Galadhon is linked to this article, and was actually merged here, so it's a circular link.

Removed.

Egladil is only mentioned in the infobox as a "notable place", not in article. Either it's important enough to be mentioned, or it should be removed from the infobox. The place doesn't ring a bell for me, if you decide to remove it, I'll RfD the redirect Egladil.

It means the point ("Elven-point" in Sindarin) of the Angle between the two rivers (Tolkien philology for "origin of England", land of the Angles and Saxons), as discussed in the text, so I've moved it down there and placed "Angle" in the infobox instead.

"The Hidden Land" is in the infobox as an alternate name, but it's not in the text. It needs a citation for one of the two. I think the term in used in the Fellowship of the Ring, so a primary citation to there should cover it.

Ref added (Stanton's Lothlórien chapter in Drout).

Names - Can we get more context for the table than just "Tolkien gave the forest many different names:"?

Extended, reffed.

Also, the translation of Dwimordene needs a citation. Do the citations for the meanings also apply to the origins?

Done, and yes.

General comment - There's a lot of duplicate links in here. Misty Mountains is linked in the history and geography sections, Anduin is linked multiple times in the geography section, and Aragorn is later linked in consecutive rows in the table.

Removed.

Would Interpretations be a better heading title than Significance?

Done. Or we could use the hoary old "Reception".

Land of light - You should probably explain what a flet is.

Done.

Do you need to indicate in the references what translation you took the quotation from John from?

Done.

References

The Danna ref is from a personal website "ejdanna.com", is Danna a subject-matter expert? Also, I don't think Danna needs to have the published author field if she's already cited as the author.

Removed the data field. Danna is the author of multiple books on Christianity published by Wipf and Stock, which is an established publisher in that domain.

Is lotro.com a reliable source? It's being used to cite the game appearance, and I can't tell if this one's reliable or not.

It's the primary source here, and it can be trusted to report on what its own games do or did (as a plain matter of fact). I'd not use it for anything else.

External links I don't see what the Lothlorien Nature Sanctuary has to do with anything.

Removed.

Tolkien Gateway's a wiki, so that violates WP:LINKSTOAVOID #12.

Removed.

Not sure about Thain's Book.

Removed.

That's it, pinging nominator. Chiswick Chap. Hog Farm (talk) 23:03, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done all to date. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Passing now.

Question regarding Tolkien Gateway's a wiki, so that violates WP:LINKSTOAVOID #12. if those links shouldn't exist, does that mean that {{Tolkien Gateway}} should be deleted at TfD? --Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gonnym - Yeah, I'll go ahead and list it there. The Tolkien wikiproject seems to be from the early days of Wikipedia, so the use of the template probably predates the LINKSTOAVOID #12. I see no reason why it should be grandfathered in. Hog Farm (talk) 15:17, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We'll get JRRT's WikiProject back into order one way or another! Many thanks, both. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Nelennas" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Nelennas. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 15#Nelennas until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm _Bacon 02:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion[edit]

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