Talk:Lit de justice

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This article has come a long way from its start. Couldn't it now be under its more familiar form, Lit de Justice? "Bed of Justice" must come out of a C19 encyclopedia. Any objections? --Wetman 06:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The present illustration has bizarre color adjustments that take it far from the original manuscript illumination. --Wetman 06:18, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The whole body, now "refractory, rolled out, in wheeled vehicles, to receive the order of the king."

Shouldn't there be a cite for the quotation here? I think it might be from Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution, but I'm not sure. --Jim Henry (talk) 00:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

Just added the reference for the etymology: Jean Rey, Histoire du drapeau, des couleurs et des insignes de la monarchie française, Vol. 2, Paris 1837, p.40. Accoring to Jean Rey, a throne surmounted by a baldachin (dais) was called a lit in old French. It's a valid reference, though the venerable Jean Rey probably just made it up (he kicks at amateur etymology just a few lines further) - he gives no proof. In my view, a lit is the place where something lies or sits, be it a person, a river, a geological layer, or Justice. Reading lit d'une rivière, or river bed, one does not imagine cushions or baldachins eiher. Just take lit as meaning place.Riyadi (talk) 19:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would seem to me that the word "lit" here derives from the Latin "lis, litis" meaning lawsuit or quarrel. The word has, so far as I know, no (other) descendant in modern French, but in earlier times the Latin word would have been known to legal professionals and could have survived in this usage. Later, with the phrase in use but awareness of the Latin sense forgotten, the phrase would have been reconstrued to assimilate the word to its common use of "bed" and the whole business of cushions, etc., added to make sense of it.Curmudgeonly Pedant (talk) 16:51, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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