Talk:List of stadtholders in the Low Countries

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Missing Groningen stadtholders[edit]

For some reason Frederick Henry and William II were missing from the list of Stadtholders for Groningen and Drenthe. This was not correct. After Henry Casimir I's death in 1640 Frederick Henry moved quickly to become appointed in Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe. He was forestalled in Friesland by Henry Casimir's younger brother Willem Frederik, but in Groningen (and consequently Drenthe) he succeeded. So he and his son William II were duly appointed stadtholders there. Willem Frederik received the appointment after William's death in 1650. See Jonathan Israel, The Dutch Republic, pp. 538-539. See also the Dutch linked article.--Ereunetes (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Staten Generaal[edit]

As far as I know the Dutch republic and monarchy have always used the term Staten Generaal and never Algemene Staten for its general assembly.Maggy Rond (talk) 13:20, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. 'Algemene Staten' seems to be the result of linguistic purism amongst 19th-century historians. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Southern provinces[edit]

What about the stadtholders for the southern provinces, like Flanders, Hainaut, and so forth? They had them as well, no? john k (talk) 20:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements[edit]

A lot of the current material is unsourced, badly translated from the Dutch version, original research, or synth. E.g. Holland and Zeeland did not have the same stadtholders throughout this period, e.g. in the 1580s, but these sections have been merged anyway, misleading readers. It also seems to be following rather arbitrary rules on the inclusion or exclusion of territories. The rather odd term Low Countries provinces in the lede redirects to Seventeen Provinces, but currently only 11 are represented here. As John K pointed out in 2010, most southern provinces are missing, even though Hainaut and Luxembourg have been included. If there is any geographical standard to be followed, it should be the Habsburg Netherlands. This term can be equated with the term "Seventeen Provinces", although the latter reflects only a very short and unclear period in the mid-16th century, so it cannot apply well to the 15th century or the 17th or 18th century. I'm gonna do some WP:BOLD edits to fix a bunch of stuff. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, putting 'Habsburg' in the title means excluding all Burgundian, Saxon, Gueldrian, and Dutch Republic stadtholders. That wasn't my intention. I guess we'll have to go with 'Netherlands' then, but clarify very clearly that we don't just mean the current Netherlands (Nederland, singular), but all the territories (Nederlanden, plural) that once constituted the Seventeen Provinces in the Low Countries, even though not all states in the Low Countries were ever part of the Habsburg Netherlands. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Several months later now, my thinking has evolved. It seems to me that 'Low Countries' is a better name than any of the other things I've been suggesting in July last year. Since nobody has responded, I guess I'll just have to be BOLD again and fix it myself. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 02:07, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]