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Sheldon Silver, the current Speaker was not Majority Leader when he ascended to the role of Speaker. He was Chair of the Committee on Ways and Means. James Tallon of Binghamton, NY was Majority Leader.

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[1] Nowhere does my edit imply what you claim it does. ―cobaltcigs 18:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Legislative terms use - (short dash) , life spans use – (long dash). Besides, 1820-21 is a one-year term which had sessions in two calendar years. 1820-1821 would be a two-year tenure. Besides, the dashes and numbers were messing up page references. Please check carefully what you are editing, the correct info should be preserved. Please avoid unnecessary edits. Kraxler (talk) 21:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Wikipedia consensus style is described at WP:ENDASH:

"En dashes (–) have several distinct roles.

To stand for to or through in ranges (pp. 211–19, 64–75%, the 1939–45 war). ..."

Wikipedia has no such exceptions for legislative terms or page ranges. Art LaPella (talk) 02:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not concerned with the dash, but with the numbers, see above. Kraxler (talk) 16:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As often, this misreads WP:ENDASH (which is in not in any case consensus; any claim that it is should be ignored); the distinction, here, between a session - in both of two years - and a term - extending over a span of time - is reasonable, but should be reinforced at least by saying session for the less expected form. To do otherwise invites confusion. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please add comments always at the bottom, never in between previously written text. My concern is firstly with unneccessary edits. Users who just exchange short and long dashes, do not add anything to Wikipedia. If you think anything is confusing, feel free to edit, clearing it up. But please do not make mistakes with the info. If you don't understand anything of the subject, and can not understand the meaning of the text, please tell me, giving a concrete example. Kraxler (talk) 00:53, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The place to add comments is explained at WP:TALKPAGE#Indentation.
What I understand least is how you can be "not concerned with the dash", yet used the word several times, claiming it doesn't apply to certain ranges contrary to WP:ENDASH, and reverting cobaltcigs' edit to conform to that guideline. If I can understand how you can be unconcerned with dashes, then maybe I can understand how you can dismiss Wikipedia's guideline on the subject without bothering with any kind of references. Art LaPella (talk) 01:13, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TALKPAGE#Indentation says: If you wish to reply to a comment that has already been replied to, place your response below the last response, while still only adding one colon to the number of colons preceding the statement you're replying to. If you think the instructions too confusing, ask the project page manager to clarify it.
You are now diverting the discussion to a new theme, without answering my comment. That's ok with me. Apparently the text is not confusing, since you can not show any example. As to dashes, the truth is that the long dash is not on my keyboard, and so I always write a short dash. If anybody changes short to long, that's ok with me, as long as the info is not made incorrect. As to "any kind of references", what do you mean by that? The article has quite a list of references... Kraxler (talk) 15:56, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are right about WP:TALKPAGE#Indentation, which I falsely assumed would match the way other talk pages normally work on Wikipedia, so I apologize for that (although Help:Introduction to talk pages says "if you are responding to someone else's remarks, put your comment below theirs").
The comment you want answered is apparently whether "1820-21 is a one-year term which had sessions in two calendar years. 1820-1821 would be a two-year tenure". I'm unaware of a rule distinguishing "21" from "1821" in that way, but proving a negative would be difficult, and so I didn't challenge that detail. I challenged changing dashes back to hyphens. So if changing "short to long" (hyphens to en dashes) is OK with you, then this is resolved; but you seem to think dashes are "messing up page references", making information incorrect, and are unnecessary edits. "any kind of references" doesn't mean article references; it means references to show that dashes are "messing up page references" etc., thus overruling the WP:ENDASH guideline; but if changing hyphens to en dashes is OK then that isn't an issue either. Art LaPella (talk) 07:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't object to change hyphens to dashes, as long as the numbers (all digits) of the original text remain the same. I still think a hyphen more appropriate to describe the term 1820-21, it expresses the close connection of something that belongs together. WP:HYPHEN says "Hyphens indicate conjunction" whereas en dashes indicate "ranges". The single legislative term 1820-21 is not a range, but a single item, hence the "conjunction". Kraxler (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh maybe. At least you're recognizing the guideline, which is my real issue. I don't have a – key either; alternatives include 1. copy and paste 2. special characters at the bottom of the edit screen 3. alt-~~0140~~1050. More discussion here. Art LaPella (talk) 17:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info (Alt 0150), I'll try to remember that when it crops up again. Kraxler (talk) 21:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected. Art LaPella (talk) 22:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Acting Speaker Morelle[edit]

RE Patrug edit summary "Morelle & dozens of others have been Acting Speakers for brief episodes. They were not Speakers." - You need to distinguish acting while the actual office-holder is absent and acting while the office is vacant. In the first case, no mention is ever made in lists, because the list shows the actual office-holder, independent of whether he is physically present or not, but he holds the office. In the second case, the office is vacant, and the next-in-line acts, in this case, as Speaker. Such "episodes" have occurred four times during the last 60 years, and these Acting Speakers are listed, see Carlino, Weinstein, Tallon and Morelle. Carlino was subsequently elected as Speaker, so that his acting tenure is not separately shown. Weinstein, Tallon and Morelle never became Speakers, but acted during a vacancy. Weinstein actually acted as Governor while Rockefeller, Wilson and Brydges were out of the State at the same time. You see, there's a reason to list them, independent from the lengths of their acting term. Please do not revert again. Kraxler (talk) 13:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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