Talk:List of smoking bans in Australia

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Smoking ban in Defence forces[edit]

I cant find any sites to back this up but back in school i remember i guy in my class who's brother was going to join the army and was having to give up smoking before he could. Apparently smoking was/is banned in the army can someone expand on this if you know more? 124.149.75.20 (talk) 08:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From my experience working alongside Australian military personnel, my understanding was that they are not permitted to smoke when in uniform and active (so they can smoke when on a break if they are relaxing, but not while, say walking to the shops). Myk (talk) 10:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New title[edit]

This page has been moved from its previous title, 'list of smoking bans in Australia', for two standard Wikipedian reasons. The first is that of common name, as although the term 'smoking ban' continues to be used often enough in English-speaking news media, it is not the term favoured by organisations involved in forming or applying such regulations - and a colloquialism can be dealt with quite simply through a redirect and a brief mention in the introductory text. The second, perhaps stronger reason, is to remove ambiguity; 'smoking ban' suggests prohibiting smoking per se, which with the possible exception of Bhutan is almost never attempted in reality, most smoke-free laws regulating simply where one may smoke rather than whether. This improvement appears uncontroversial to me so I have 'been bold' and made the move - however, if it raises concerns, or if fellow Wikipedians feel the article will benefit from further discussion, this is the place to do it.Hypocaustic (talk) 16:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Without any discussion whatsoever, Hypocaustic has systematically attempted to change every mention of the term "smoking ban" on the English Wikipedia to "smoke-free law." I would propose that, under basic WP:UCN and WP:MOVE principles, the title "smoking ban" is more appropriate because it is far more common and the unilateral move was absolutely improper. Hypocaustic's reasoning that "smoking ban," while obviously more commonly used, is "not the term used by organizations involved in forming or applying such regulations," inherently violates WP:NPOV. If Hypocaustic wants this moved, he/she should propose it in the proper channels.Wikophile (talk) 16:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It sounds like a few key points may have slipped through the cracks here, so thanks for raising the challenge to allow for further discussion on the subject Wikophile. The use of the term 'smoke-free law' in preference to 'smoking ban' certainly isn't unilateral or undiscussed - it has evolved over time, internationally, and is now the recognised description in the field. It sounds as if some further discussion / exploration of that evolution may be useful in providing reassurance that this isn't just one contributor's personal preference or whim, however - so it would be useful to know if there's anything specific about the term which concerns you or appears unclear. NPOV concerns are indeed important but are more likely to argue for the very change I have contributed - pejorative uses of 'ban', 'banning' and conflations of smoke-free regulations with outright prohibition of smoking are frequent amongst commentators intending to argue a specific position against such smoke-free laws. This is an encyclopaedia rather than a media-speak dictionary, after all, so redirecting readers from widely-used colloquialism to commonly-used descriptive term is arguably perfectly appropriate. As for the proper channels, as I understand it these are they - let's go ahead an discuss it. I'll undo your reverts as far as possible for now as the facts suggest that the move is indeed fully in line with Wikipedian principles, but if you can show a properly argued case against it (avoiding any abusive phraseology in you comment headings please), please do.Hypocaustic (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Smoking population[edit]

Hi User:Michael Bednarek and 101.160.177.75. I added back in the source for the smoking population section of the article, it is clearly labeled that these statistics are dated to 2013, and readers will be aware that statistics change over time. When new reliable-source statistics are available we can add a new source and update, but for now I believe these should be included as is (you will see the second part I have left with 'citation needed' - I think these should be deleted if no reliable source can be given). Clare. (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Re the comparison chart; there is no key so it is unclear whether a tick/cross means there is a ban or that smoking is permitted. Erwfaethlon (talk) 10:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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