Talk:List of productions impacted by the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike

Why is Season 48 of SNL in the Other Category?

SNL is clearly a broadcast television show. Broadcast in the same way as "Abbott Elementary". I don't understand why it is put in the other category. Can someone explain? 108.52.238.12 (talk) 04:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I was actually quite confused about this as well. A reason might be that it's a sketch series, but that still counts as a television series. Before the move, it was in the television series category too. Spinixster (chat!) 14:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

§ Television series is for shows that follow a narrative, i.e. fiction. SNL is non-fiction. From the television show article: A television show is also called a television program (British English: programme), especially if it lacks a narrative structure. In the United States and Canada, a television series is usually released in episodes that follow a narrative and are usually divided into seasons. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I propose we rename § Television series to Television show to avoid any confusion, as I think some people would question why SNL is in the Other category. Spinixster (chat!) 02:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that may just add to the confusion, given talk shows also have their own section. I have added clarification text below each section heading; does that help? InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

If you read Television series, the first paragraph in the North American section is as follows: In North American television, a series is a connected set of television program episodes that run under the same title, possibly spanning many seasons. And on the television show article, the keyword is usually. It does not mean that all television series have to follow a narrative.

Another way to separate is to make another section for variety shows, since SNL is a variety show, but there's only one variety show on the list, so I wouldn't recommend it. Well, technically, late-night talk shows are variety shows, but it'd be weird to have a bunch of talk shows and then SNL, a sketch show, in between.

So I think it's best to rename Television series to Television show, since SNL falls under that umbrella. Spinixster (chat!) 02:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I think I would rather combine SNL with the talk shows than with the TV series that follow a narrative, i.e. rename Talk shows to Talk shows and variety shows. InfiniteNexus (talk)

Since we now have game shows as well, I've gone ahead and created new sections for non-fiction TV programs that do not follow a narrative structure. I do think it's important to make a distinction between fictional and non-fictional shows. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that's good, but I would also like to propose having a Television show section and put Television series, Talk shows, and Television programs in that section. Maybe it's a bit too much to ask, so you don't need to do this, but it might be more clear since there's a film and other section. Spinixster (chat!) 02:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

... for the day

Just something I've been thinking about. This was a discussion on the main page as well, hence this page's creation. But what about the shows whose production has only been halted for the day or a few hours and has resumed filming or is stated to be resumed? Examples being FBI: Most Wanted, Power Book II: Ghost, Pretty Little Liars: Summer School, The Chi, etc.
A mention in the notes section works, but maybe it'd be weird to include it with the shows that has fully suspended production. Spinixster (chat!) 02:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

We can go the List of American television series impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic route and do a Production suspended, postponed and/or modified and a Seasons ended prematurely section, or something similar. Spinixster (chat!) 03:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Killers of the Flower Moon

Does anyone know if production on Killers of the Flower Moon has halted in Oklahoma?

I heard the rumor that it was but not because of the WGA strike (like Terrence Winter has to do major rewrites at this stage of his career) but because of something to do with Leonardo DiCaprio and true love. 2603:8001:2600:86A1:1553:C5FF:DB4D:DA35 (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean? It has already aired at the 2023 Cannes Film Festival. Spinixster (chat!) 12:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Productions not affected

Is this section even necessary? Because this isn't even what the article is about, and there's nothing notable in not being impacter. Linkin Prankster (talk) 08:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Also why are the Simpsons missing... 147.161.234.189 (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

We don't have any information about the strike's impact on The Simpsons. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Actors strike

If the actors strike happens, it will not be possible to distinguish between productions shut down due to the WGA strike and those shut down due to the SAG-AFTRA strike. The way I see it, we have three options:

• Option 1 – Rename this page to List of productions impacted by the 2023 WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes and keep updating the list. This is the easiest and most logical option, but it could cause the page to become quite long, as virtually all of Hollywood would be shut down.
• Option 2 – Stop updating this page and create a new page called List of productions impacted by the 2023 WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes, listing productions affected only after the actors strike started. However, this could be confusing to readers.
• Option 3 – Stop updating this page, and don't create a list for the actors strike. It can be argued that since most of Hollywood will likely be shut down, it is WP:INDISCRIMINATE to create a list in the first place. We can just add a note here, After [date], the vast majority of films and television productions that had hitherto been unaffected were shut down due to the combined effects of the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes.

Thoughts? InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

• Option 3... maybe. There's a clear period of time between the start of the WGA strike and this possible actor's strike where productions were shut down because of solely the writer's. Frankly I think this is a bit premature, because we don't know should the actors go on strike, how long either they or the writer's will still stick it out, so it might be best to just note in various places that all productions stopped after a certain date. I also feel we may still get updates on production that will explicitly say the writer's strike (and possibly the actor's too) was the cause of delays, and in those instances they should be noted here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
• Option 1 - Because this article already is formatted in a timeline fashion, it will be clear which productions are halted because of the writer's strike and which are halted because of both strikes occuring simultaneously. Both strike articles should therefore link here. RobotGoggles (talk) 22:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

  Actually, the tables are currently being sorted alphabetically, not chronologically by the date on which their productions were halted. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

• Option 1 but make it clear which productions were halted by the writers' strike and which were halted by the actors' strike. Perhaps two sections for each strike? I don't know if it'll work if a show or movie gets stopped by both strikes. Spinixster (chat!) 01:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment the first (as far as I've seen) production to shutdown directly because of the SAG Strike is Deadpool 3. It was filming during the WGA-only portion of the strike, so it feels incorrect to list it here now as an "affected" production. I still think a "catch all" statement and sourcing noting about the SAG strike and how any remaining productions working are now shut down. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Also, if the two main pages for the strike stay separate (which the RfC appears will likely be the case), that should dictate how this is handled too. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Another thought, would it beneficial to use a key, like † on productions listed in "not affected" that have since been reliably sourced to being affected, such as Deadpool 3, Beetlejuice 2, and the Venom sequel, etc.? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
• Comment FYI, Variety already has a list of impacted productions. Since we seem to be split above as to whether to make a list in the first place, and there has been limited participation, perhaps we should start an RfC with the question, "Should a list be made for productions impacted by the SAG-AFTRA strike?" InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:14, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

  @InfiniteNexus: List of productions impacted by the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

  Well. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:53, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  If that list becomes too long, AfD might be worth considering in the future, for reasons I stated at the top of this thread. InfiniteNexus (talk) 02:55, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Option 1 – The articles are sure to become repeats of each other as it becomes impossible to distinguish between productions shut down due to the WGA strike and those shut down due to the SAG-AFTRA strike so the productions will be forced to appear on both articles. If the merged list is created, there should be a note on the productions that were cancelled by the WGA strike before the SAG-AFTRA strike begun. – Treetoes023 (talk) 05:37, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

The list is a bit short

As much as joy as the list provides and makes me wonna support the strike to make sure more such crap is canceled i'm afraid the list is far too short

This can't be it... How many thusands or idk hundreds of "writters" and people in general strike

It may not be easy to confirm certainly the effect of the strike on this tile or snother

But i'd love if anyone can help expend this list...

bring more joy to the world Showing people nothing of value was lost 2A10:8001:1C43:0:CC32:6957:3132:68CA (talk) 03:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

How about a "real" quality writters on strike list

Giving that most of the people striking couldn't write anything good if they're life's dependent on it.. (and it's obvious why they fear ai so much given how much better it is then the average "writter" employed by thoes companies)

How about we list good actual "real" competent writers ehich are striking and the titles effected by that

I know a short list given that there aren't many competent writters nowdays... but still 2A10:8001:1C43:0:CC32:6957:3132:68CA (talk) 03:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what this means, this doesn’t include writers, it includes productions Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hell's Kitchen is not listed

Did yall know Hell's Kitchen (season 22) is unscripted show. It didn't show it, can yall please add this show. It premieres at September 28, 2023 at 8:00p.m. on FOX. Thanks!

Username:CheeCharlie20, share the link to the source and I will add it! Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Here's the link to the source at: https://www.tvfanatic.com/2023/07/fox-unveils-strike-proof-fall-schedule-with-gordon-ramsay-animat/ CheeCharlie20 (talk) 19:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

X-Man, What If, and Echo

User:Favre1fan93, you continuously remove these 3 shows from the list. The source provided clearly states that the premiere change is due to the WGA strike. The source you provide states “What If…? Echo, and Agatha: Coven of Chaos, now titled Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, are among the titles receiving new dates. The move comes amid Hollywood’s strikes as well as a general pullback at Disney+.” It directly attributes this to both the strikes and other reasons.

Another article by TV insider states, “Production on those Marvel titles — and countless other Hollywood projects — is impacted by the writers strike, which began on May 2, and the actors strike, which kicked off on July 14” in reference to the deleted productions. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 04:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lima Bean Farmer: The move comes amid Hollywood’s strikes as well as a general pullback at Disney+ this statement does not explicitly state the strikes were the reason for the pushback. It's frankly a combination of all that is happening now, but from the THR source, only Ironheart was explicitly stated post-production can't happen because of the two strikes. Agatha completed it's filming just as the WGA strike was starting; What If was scheduled for an early 2023 release (well before both strikes) and then that never happened, so we can't attribute that delay now to the strikes; and Echo also was in post-production during the strike and had an original release date of late November 2023, so it's delay to January 2024 can be attributed to the slowdown of content output from Disney, not the strikes. I have provided all of this reasoning in my edit summaries. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

References

What if Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse was cancelled?

Because its release date has been removed from schedule. 2600:6C67:2800:3833:55A5:3C39:2289:AE7D (talk) 06:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Unless there’s a source to confirm it, that’s just speculation Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 06:35, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I think it’s gonna be Sonys next tax write off since El Muerto 2605:B100:508:9EE5:C9BB:3EF6:EFE8:4FB5 (talk) 20:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

And just like coyote Vs acme 205.172.121.203 (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Productions not affected section post-strike removal

Three months later, I don't think this section is needed anymore, the lists mostly contain shows that were completed before the strike began or doesn't have WGA writers, or were written prior to the strike that were filming before SAG-AFTRA began its strike, and I think it might be retrospectively unnecessary in the future. Discuss. 2603:6081:893D:13AC:28DD:D252:C1DD:9F71 (talk) 19:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Should the Always Sunny podcast be in this list?

As far as I can tell, The Always Sunny Podcast suspended in July for the SAG-AFTRA strike, not the WGA strike. It released episodes throughout May and June during the WGA strike. 134.219.227.26 (talk) 17:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Is Saw X affected by the writers strike when it was pushed forward to September 29, 2023 instead of October 27, 2023

Isn’t saw X also affected by the strike 2605:B100:508:9EE5:C9BB:3EF6:EFE8:4FB5 (talk) 20:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Add in Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 3 planet of the grapes

The script was completed prior to the strike 2605:B100:50D:52CD:C056:8F93:2950:B9F0 (talk) 20:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Should Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 3 Planet of the Grapes be on the list being affected by the writers strike since it was never announced?

Phil lord said a script was completed before the strike happened 205.172.121.203 (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)