Talk:List of presidents of Tunisia

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Improving "Rank by time in office"[edit]

How about we include 2 columns: "took office" and "left office", as you can see in this screenshot (preview only, didn't edit):
http://s9.postimg.org/bvvg8zuun/idea.png
so, what do you think?
Alexsd27 (talk) 09:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No - if we do that, it would be duplicating the data from the list of presidents above... That section is named "Rank by time in office", and it should remain focused on length of each president's term, without adding "took office" and "left office" columns to it. --Sundostund (talk) 12:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Essebsi is 3rd[edit]

Marzouki was not elected by the people. He was elected by an interim parliament. Essebsi is the 1st to be elected after Ben Ali's era.
Question is: who keeps ranking Marzouki as #3? While officially in Tunisia, Essebsi is called the "third" president, and this is what we hear in the media. Alexsd27 (talk) 21:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't the List of People Elected President by the People, it's the List of Presidents. Marzouki's title was President. He was the third. Essebsi is the fourth. —Largo Plazo (talk) 21:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Ghannouchi[edit]

The following discussion started on my user talk page:

why did you regect my changes on Ghannouchi? I'm sure he was not a president of Tunisia since the constitution did not allow him to be a president.--197.28.183.184 (talk) 17:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Constitutions don't allow many things. That doesn't stop them from happening. Unless I'm mistaken, the constitution didn't allow Ben Ali to be cried out of office or Gaddafi to be shot out of his. Particularly, Egypt's constitution left no provision whatsoever for the military to become the new government but there sits a soldier as the Egyptian head of state. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:32, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

But even Ghannouchi himself did not pretend that he is a president and all what he did was conforming to the constitution, in fact he proclamed that he will take the charges of the absent president till he returns to Tunisia. In this case of the constitution, Ben Ali remains the effective president and Ghannouchi has not the right of the constitutional oath and so he is not a president. In fact when the constitutional council proclamed that Ben Ali is never a president, Moubazaa became a president because that is what the constitution say. I want to ask you where are you from because I'm tunisin and lived the days of the revolution in Tunisia and I'm sure of what I'm saying.--197.28.183.184 (talk) 18:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Actually, when I reverted your edit, it was simply because your edit had erased the structural changes I had added (hlist instead of nowrap). As for whether Ghannouchi should stay on the list, I don't have a definite opinion so I'll let you guys discuss about it on the talk page. — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 20:24, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

— ABJIKLAM (t · c) 20:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Marzouki = interim president[edit]

Sources for Marzouki being interim president:

"Veteran human rights activist chosen as Tunisia's new interim president", The Telegraph, 15 November 2011
Tunisian activist to serve as interim president, CBC News, 12 December 2011
Jacobs, Donna (5 April 2013), "Tunisia's bold gamble on democracy: 'One day or another, we will win'", Diplomat & International Canada
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[2]

(there are many more, if you google for it)

Sources saying that Marzouki is 4th President of Tunisia:

[3]
[4]

or even 5th president:

[5]

So, if Marzouki gets an ordinal number, Mebazaa (and possibly even Ghannouchi) has to get one too. --RJFF (talk) 16:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between Marzouki and Mebazaa is that the latter has officially held the title of acting president according to the constitution and the decree-law no. 2011-14, while Marzouki is officially called the President according to constitutional law no. 6-2011.

As for Ghannouchi, he might not even deserve to be mentioned here since, once again according to the constitution, he was never even acting president but, as prime minister, had presidential powers temporarily delegated to him (there's a difference between delegation of powers and becoming acting president).

I understand the media might have called Marzouki acting president (or interim president, I suppose because acting is par intérim in French), but we should look at the actual laws of Tunisia. According to them, Marzouki is the President, while Mebazaa was only acting President. As such, Marzouki gets an ordinal number while Mebazaa doesn't.

All the laws I mentioned can be found on http://iort.gov.tn

Abjiklɐm (tɐlk) 18:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it the laws of Tunisia that say "Marzouki gets an ordinal number"? To my understanding "interim" and "acting" are not necessarily synonymous. I agree that the position of Marzouki and Mebazaa is not identical. Marzouki is not "acting president", because unlike Mebazaa he is quasi-constitutionally elected and not just stepped in for a President who has resigned. But he is "interim president" because he is not elected for a full term, but only until the new constitution is put into effect and elections are held under this constitution. That makes him different from a "full president" who will be elected by the people for five years. --RJFF (talk) 18:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

President Fouad Mebazaa[edit]

Hello, @ELEL09: @Sundostund: @Pannam2014:

Fouad Mebazaa was an interim president, and he remains considered as such. He signed all the laws as interim president, while Moncef Marzouki signed as president of the Tunisian republic. It is the difference that allows us to say that there are 4 President in Tunisia, Ben Ali the second, and Marzouki the third, according to the official journal of the Tunisian Republic. We should change that.--Mohatatou (talk) 09:24, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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