Talk:List of massacres in Vietnam

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The title of this page "List of massacres in Vietnam" is inapposite to its contents, as many were events which occurred in the Korean War era. Further, it requires specificity as to the perpetrators' identities, as there is an implication that the massacres were all carried out by American soldiers and/or their allies when some were carried out, e.g. by Viet Cong. I fail to even see where the compilation of this list, even with citation and specificity, serves any purpose, at least without discussion as to what does or does not constitute a "massacre". The text suggests that the massacres are from Vietnam and "its predecessors", but if this is the case then certainly the nuclear bomb attacks upon Japan and the fire storm bombing of Dresden and Tokyo should be included along with the all the various slaughters which took place during World War II. QuintBy (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

• Eh, so I guess I just wasted about 5 minutes editing it to make the list more sortable. Oh well. Niceoboe (talk) 14:11, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

This page has nothing to do with the "Korean War" or the "Korean War era." All the entries in each column are appropriate for the title of the page. The references to Korean Troops are to South Koreans participating in the U.S.-Vietnam war who committed massacres in the war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.61.20.206 (talk) 14:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Chain of command?

Apart from Calley and the list of senior officers (most of whom got off scott-free or were stripped of medals or reduced in rank (worth one human life?) what happened to the officers in the chain of command who were aware of the massacre and who covered it up? Have any of these 'brave' men returned to Vietnam? Francis Neary (talk) 23:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Reparations for My Lai?

Have the USA ever offered reparations/damages considering that in courts martial it was accepted that these murders took place? Have ANY international war crimes organisations done ANY investigations into this massacre? And why not? Francis Neary (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

South Vietnam Army

There are many South Vietnam Army's massacres but there is no information about them in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoatdongtrithuc (talk • contribs) 14:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Provide WP:RS for them and they can be included. Mztourist (talk) 03:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Hoatdongtrithuc If you have some proofs, you should make them public. If not, you should help to get more information on until now unknown massacres, regardless of which troops these massacres come from. Massacres are crimes against the humanity. So, go ahead. --Beautiful Bavaria (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

easy,ask american or united of nation.oh wait,is not different than asking a thief of what they steal right of police Krostakal (talk) 11:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

"No consensus for this take it to talk"

There was no consensus when the person who made a bunch of stuff up (and included things that weren't massacres) edited... Why were their changes not reverted but mine were? If you have an actual issue with my edits please say them as now there's nothing substantial for me to respond to other than repeat my comments.

The purges appear to literally be made up, I can't find any evidence for them anywhere. The number of deaths find literally no results.

The number of those killed land reform executions was taken from "172,008 individuals were designated as landlords and rich peasants, of whom 71.66% were mistakenly categorized. Although it is impossible to know how many of them were executed, this suggests that the scale of errors committed "was undeniably dramatic."" which explicitly states that this is not the number of those executed. If one wants to say 13,500+ or "likely greater than 13,500" that would at least be inline with the main article, although not inline with that articles sources, which disagree amongst themselves (one is a message board between scholars and not a publication, and one of the scholars disagrees with the "likely greater than 13,500" and thinks it's likely under 11,000). It arguably isn't even a massacre, the other massacre pages seem to be inconsistent whether capital punishment campaigns counts as a massacres, sometimes they're listed and sometimes they aren't (maybe that's just an oversight? maybe some count and some don't?), but I'm not here to resolve that issue, and it's at least in line with the Chinese page.

Reeducation camps aren't a massacre. The holocaust isn't even listed as a massacre in the list of massacres in Germany section, nor are Gulags in the USSR, nor are Chinese reeducation camps. It also appears that the number of dead is made up. At the very least I can't find a source for it.

I can't find any evidence that Nhan Van–Giai Pham affair included any massacres, or that it continued into the 1990s. (apparently the editor is conflating all ideological government repression with the affair?) I can't find the number of dead anywhere either.

I understand that the article about Huế is contentious (the talk page is enourmous), if you want to eliminate the revisionist account then I won't die on that hill, but it objectively wouldn't be in line with even the english article, let alone the vietnamese one.

Highway 1 was changed with no justification to 2800+, I changed it back to be inline with the main article also with no other justification. Maybe there's some evidence behind the 2800+ number rather than 2000~ idk, at this point in editing I was frustrated by the unjustified changes and didn't care to research. If there is some evidence for 2800+ it should be noted and the main page for Shelling of Highway 1 should be changed to reflect that evidence as well.

Boat people were not a massacre, and the deathtoll numbers are once again made up. The editor apparently changed "200,000 and 400,000 boat people died at sea" to "200,000–400,000 people were found or their bodies were identified" which is a lie, and stated that "1,067,004+ killed" which is a number that they apparently just made up roughly inline with the people who were boat people whether they survived or not.

I believe the standard for waiting for any objections is 24 hours (correct me if I'm wrong), so unless there are any actual objections I will redo my edit. 65.79.140.182 (talk) 18:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Read the links and argue each one individually. Also don't add the spurious accusation that US and South Vietnamese forces were responsible for the Massacre at Hue. Mztourist (talk) 07:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I have deleted a number of events that do not clearly fall within the category of massacres. I believe you are incorrect on the "standard for waiting for any objections is 24 hours." Mztourist (talk) 08:03, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I read all of the links. "argue each one individually". No? You haven't done that with any of your edits. No one else has done that with any of their edits. Why would I be forced to doing it with mine?

Considering that you haven't objected to any of my edits other than listing the Massacre at Hue dispute, and you were the only person who actually had any issue with my edits, I am going forward with every other edit until someone actually argues against them. 65.79.140.182 (talk) 09:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I justified each one of my deletions individually. I have provided a RSed more accurate range for the land reform deaths and reinstated the reeducation camps with an RS of casualties. I suggest that you read Rummel's research before making any further changes to this page. Mztourist (talk) 06:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)