Talk:List of kings of Strathclyde

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I moved this from the article, it seems to have been there a while.

I believe Eogan who died at the Battle of Carham in 1018 was the last King of Strathclyde but can't offer historical certainty. Perhaps someone who has studied this area in greater detail can confirm. But Malcolm III certainly didn't rule Strathclyde from 1040 or die in 1058 . Macbeth is generally accepted as King of Scots from 1040-57, his son Lulach 1057-58 and Malcolm III from 1058-1093--Cúchullain ^t/c 04:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Owain of Strathclyde[edit]

The article for the Battle of Brunanburh and others related to it name an Owain of Strathclyde, who is not listed here (there are two earlier Owains). Anyone know anything about this?--Cúchullain ^t/c 04:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I discovered the Owain is question is Eógan I of Strathclyde. I started going around making corrections on other articles.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:58, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kings of Alclut[edit]

I've tried to provide a critical evaluation of the list of 'kings of Alclut', but I'm not sure it's acceptable in this form. If anyone has any useful suggestions, please let me know. Henry Gough-Cooper —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Henrywgc (talk • contribs) 04:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Map[edit]

Does anyone have a map of this area? I'm not sure what the boundaries of Cumbria were. Mwahcysl (talk) 17:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use common names, people[edit]

Having embarrassed myself proposing some improper merges, I now see the rationale behind calling the old one one thing and the younger set something else. That said, it's still wrong: the "Dumnagual"s still get called "Dyfnwal" or simply "Donald" in most sources.

At the very least, make sure you're including the modern, common forms of the name in the redirects and lede sections. Better still, use those more common names consistently, even if it means calling them—for instance—Dyfnwal ap Tewdwr instead of Dumnagual III of Alt Clut. (Again, I now see the rationale & it may be that this system is more common in academia; we should still be including the more common names.) — $Llywelyn II$ 00:57, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We follow what the sources use. For the most part I think these are just following MacQuarrie, with some ordinals and the name of their territory to distinguish them and follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility). Some of them do have other names that are more common (Riderch I of Alt Clu should be at Rhydderch Hael), but we don't just modernize or (especially) Anglicize names unless that's what the sources do. I've never seen modern sources that call these kings "Donald" for instance. Additionally, a number of these kings are only known from one or a few sources; as such they don't have common names, or really anything else that can be said about them.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:24, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at it, it appears the Dumnagual's are all called "Dyfnwal" in MacQuarrie, with the exception of Domnall mac Aed, whom he calls "Donald". Also, the Eugeins/Owens are all called "Ywain". This throws off the ordinals. We need to take a look at this.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]