Talk:List of fictitious kings in Korean genealogies

Requested move 18 June 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:20, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of legendary monarchs of Korea → List of fictitious kings in Korean genealogies – As seen in articles Gyuwon Sahwa and Hwandan Gogi, the Dangun kinglist presented here is a twentieth-century pseudohistorical fabrication. (The Dongguk Tonggam, a reliable primary source, only mentions three kings.) As fictitious characters in texts not even a hundred years old, they are hardly "legendary." It is my opinion that the entire Dan'gun king list fails WP:NOTABILITY, but if others disagree I'm fine with keeping the section and moving it to "List of monarchs in the Hwandan Gogi" or somesuch.

The Gija Joseon king list and Mahan king list are copied from the (also fictitious) jokbo of the Cheongju Han descent group. The Cheongju Hans have laid claim to descent from Jizi since the early seventeenth century (first relevant document 1617, although as late as 1508 the Cheongju Hans did not believe themselves to be descended from Jizi, per Kang Min-sik 2013). The Haengju Gi and Taewon Seonu descent groups also claim descent from Jizi and these forty-nine fictitious kings up to "King Won of Mahan".

The fact that the Gija Joseon king list is several hundred years old could justify its notability, but a list of kings mentioned only in the genealogy of three fairly minor descent groups is hardly a "list of legendary monarchs of Korea".

The Bukbuyeo kings are from Gyuwon Sahwa or Hwandan Gogi and IMO should be deleted.

I therefore propose that all sections except "List of Gija's heirs in Gojoseon" and "Mahan" be deleted for failing WP:NOTABILITY (or moved to their own article), and that the remaining section be moved to "List of fictitious kings in Korean genealogies" with an introductory section summarizing how these three descent groups came to have these fictitious genealogies. Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 09:35, 18 June 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. (t · c) buidhe 05:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, taking the nom on faith since I know nothing about this. The reasoning is sound. Srnec (talk) 01:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Readdition of twentieth-century fabrications[edit]

@Kokospice2: Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Just a note about your recent edit; the kings you added back, with the exception of Buru, are ones universally recognized in historical scholarship as fictitious twentieth-century fabrications from pseudohistorical works (위서) such as the Hwandan gogi and the Gyuwon sahwa. They are not even fabricated figures who might still be notable due to their presence in Early Modern Korean genealogies (jokbo), as the Gija Joseon kings are; there is in fact not any evidence that anyone believed in them prior to the twentieth century. This is why they were removed.--Karaeng Matoaya (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]