Talk:List of features removed in Windows Phone

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My first point is that Windows Phone 7 (WP7) is a completely new and developed from scratch. It has no resemblance to Windows Mobile (WM), which was discountinued. The fact that Windows Mobile was discontinued and Windows Phone 7 introduced at the same time does NOT make WP7 next version of WM. These two are completely different things.

So "features removed" from first release of Windows Phone 7 does not make sense at all. At best the article should be titled "Features missing in WP7", if at all makes sense. BTW I didn't find any articles like "Features missing in iPhone" or Android/Symbian/etc. Abhishikt (talk) 18:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, a point I raised on the Windows Phone talk page. pcuser42 (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree - WP7 is successor to WM6.5 as established in the sources (including official from MS) - see ref1 in the article. Yes, WP7 is quite different from WM6.5 (whether it's "completely new and developed from scratch" or "drastically different, but still based on elements of its predecessor such as the evolved WinCE core" is another question, but it's irrelevant).
So, this list here is not a list of all "missing features" (e.g. a wishlist that includes remote control for flying car and a teleporter), but a list of features present in WM6.5 and not present in WP7. Making such drastic transition (near to "completely new and developed from scratch") only adds to the importance of the article - just as the "Features present in WinXP and not present in Vista" (see in see also section). Ianteraf (talk) 13:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The only similarity between Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 is the fact both were made by Microsoft. As they are completely different in terms of user interface and kernel changes I do not believe this article makes sense. Windows Mobile was dropped in favour of Windows Phone, and are targeted at different markets. pcuser42 (talk) 21:38, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I bring to your attention this quote from Windows Mobile:
The same page also states the last working version of Windows Mobile is 6.5.3 and is discontinued, making Windows Phone completely new and as such no features were removed from its predecessor. Your example on Windows XP vs Windows Vista features makes sense as both operating systems are in the same family (Microsoft Windows) and Windows Vista directly succeeded Windows XP. pcuser42 (talk) 22:58, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the point is not in the internal engineering details, how close or different are the two OSes. The point is that in the target market "mobile phone OS" the old product WM6.5 is replaced with the new product WP7. And while at Windows Phone we have a general description of the new OS including the innovations it brings, the features that are removed or missing or whatever you call them are listed here. But this list is only for the differences between the two consecutive Microsoft phone OS releases, not a general "missing features wishlist". Ianteraf (talk) 08:07, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Windows Phone, aimed at the general consumer aka everyone, replaced Windows Mobile which was aimed at business use. pcuser42 (talk) 19:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think this article should stay. Windows Phone is the successor to Windows Mobile (Wanna know why? Hint: 7 comes after 6.5). And although the UI is completely different, the kernel is still running Windows CE as cited in the sources. They have just changed the user experience and branding. It's essentially a Microsoft phone. Would you argue that Windows 8 is a completely different OS just because the interface has changed from Windows 7? We could and we would still list the Start Menu as a removed feature and Start Screen as a new feature. This article exists to give similar information about the mobile phone OS product from Microsoft. - xpclient Talk 12:16, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
While it is true that Windows 8 has a new interface, it does directly succeed Windows 7, retains compatibility with Windows 7, shares a kernel, is numbered 6.2, keeps the old interface etc. As I stated before, the Windows Mobile article lists 6.5.3 as the last stable version and 6.5.5 as the last unstable version, while the Microsoft Windows article lists Windows 1.0 as the initial, Windows 7 as stable and Windows 8 as unstable. Windows Phone replaced Windows Mobile, there is a difference, like Windows replacing DOS (eventually). Not to mention that the focus of the mobile OS has changed completely, from business use to the general consumer. pcuser42 (talk) 19:50, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Both WM and WP are aimed both at consumers and at business. Of course WP looks more consumer-focused and WM more business-focused, but this doesn't mean that MS doesn't sell (or have sold) both OSes to both types of customers. For example both have multimedia playback and both have Exchange support. But this is a moot point - WP is the current Microsoft phone OS, WM is the former. If the marketing department hasn't rebranded "mobile" into "phone" we wouldn't have this discussion now - regardless of how substantial the non-core changes are (UI, APIs and frameworks) or even if the core was switched (for example from WinCE to WinNT) - just like for the Windows 1 to Windows 7 "continuity" you mention above. So let's not dive into unnecessary technical arguments. Ianteraf (talk) 15:05, 5 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On different note, why do we even need this article? It is just list of bunch of features absent in WP7 compared to WM. This article is not helpful to the reader, it does not adds to knowledge. To me this is just like irrelevant statistics and/or feeble attempt to tarnish WP7 image. Also I see that there is no article like 'List of new features present in WP7 opposed to WM'. Absence of such article greatly undermines the validity of this article's presence. Abhishikt (talk) 08:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please read above threads, they kind of cover that question too. The new features are covered at the WP7 article itself. This one here is similar to the other articles we have for removed features between two versions of Windows. And it's helpful to the reader - so that for example a WM6 user looking to buy a WP7 device gets the knowledge what of the features he takes for granted will be removed, when he moves to WP7. This is no attempt to tarnish WP7 - just as List of features removed in Windows 7 is no attempt to tarnish Win7. Those simply report the changes, that's all - not advocating "WP7 is bad" or "WP7 is awesome". Ianteraf (talk) 07:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of features removed in Windows Phone 8[edit]

I will start the List of features removed in Windows Phone 8 if no one disagrees.

I am trying to recompile removed features like:

  • Support for the G.711 µ-Law audio codec, that some enterprise voicemail platforms use, was removed.[1]

Do you guys know more? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.35.229.204 (talk) 09:03, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ I GET MY VOICEMAILS EMAILED TO ME IN A WAV FILE.... BUT NOW THE NEW 920 IS SAYING THAT I CANNOT LISTEN TO THIS FILE - Microsoft Community

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