Talk:List of Tinkoff riders and staff

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I have reservations about this page. As per WP:NOT#IINFO, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. This page is indiscriminate and I think qualifies as WP:CRUFT. Can we either include only people notable for their achievements at CSC, or have major achievements through their career (such as a Grand Tour top 5, winner of a one-day ProTour race or top 3 in a Monument) and also at some point raced for CSC? Mk3severo 14:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would make it too similar to the list in the main article Team CSC. The list is not indiscriminate, only sports directors and riders are included, not mechanics or soigneurs). As is, the list answers trivia questions like "who rode together with Hamilton on Team CSC" (probably more likely to be asked in DK (where Team CSC is a household name) than in UK), and thus can be quite useful.--Per Abrahamsen 17:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Although I haven't responded here in a while, I still don't like this article. I fail to see what encyclopaedic significance there is in naming, for example, Pablo Urtasun Perez as a stagiare who didn't get a contract with anyone. The listing of all past riders is indiscriminate. I fail to see how naming the teams that people cam from and went to is significant to Team CSC - yes it's worthy of inclusion on the biography page of a rider but not on this page. Regards trivia: it has no place on Wikipedia anyway: if a list to exist merely to answer trivia questions I would have already sent it to AfD. Even so, it's not very good at answering your trivia question. The list should only include people who's time at Team CSC was notable, since the article is about the team, not any individual riders or the trivialisation thereof. Mk3severo 13:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is (and encyclopedia in general are) all about trivia (in fact, Wikipedia specifically forbids non-trivial stuff through the "no original research" rule). I also fail to see how it would improve the usefulness of the list to be incomplete. Would List of Danish monarchs be more useful if the "unimportant" kings were omitted? Almost all the value of the "List of" articles lies in them being complete. This article is not about the team, it is about the former staff off the team. The article about the team already includes a list of the most the most important former staff. --Per Abrahamsen 14:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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